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Old Sat Jul 17, 2004, 10:25pm
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alkasey:

You are right, once R1 passes 2B, the force is off him. Once R2 touches 3B, the force is off of him. Neither of them can be called out on a force. In my scenario, the ONLY person that could be called out on a force is R3, and that is ONLY if he is tagged PRIOR to R1 being tagged.

If all 3 runners end up on 3B, R1 cannot be called out on a force. However, because he is the trail runner, he is not entitled to 3B, so if tagged he is out, not on a force, but because he is not legally occupying a base. It's the same if he were tagged somewhere between 2B and 3B.

But once R1 is tagged out in my scenario, now NO ONE is forced, including R3. Because a trail runner is out, the force is removed. Since R3 is no longer forced, and since he is the lead runner, 3B belongs to him. He cannot be tagged out while standing on 3B.

Well, if 3B now belongs to R3, what is R2 doing there? He is a trail runner that is NOT forced to run that is in contact with a base with a lead runner. R2 has no protection, and if tagged now, he is out. This despite, as Windy likes to put it, R3 f*d up.

There a couple of concepts here:
1) once a trail runner is out (by any means), the force is removed on all lead runners
2) if more than one runner is in contact with the base, the base belongs to the lead runner unless he IS (not WAS) forced to leave it

Unfortunately, Windy's only concept is whoever f*d up is out. If that were the rule, in this case it would be Windy!
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