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Originally posted by Kelvin green
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
Kelvin,
No one is saying it's a foul to violate the air space above another player. Only that contact in someone's air space is the responsibility of the player who does not own that particular air space.
If A1 is shooting a jump shot and his arms are in B2's air space, any contact would be the responsibility of A1, and B2 cannot be penalized for it. Per rule.
The rule was not written to allow B2 to wave his arms sans contact. That's already allowed. It was written to allow B2 to make contact in his own air space without penalty.
There is no provision that states his arms must already be there. Therefore, it looks to me that he may actually initiate the contact as long the contact is made in his own air space.
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Disagree. The only legal move here is extending his arms vertically by rule. Any other movement would probably be illegal. You have to remember that when hands are vertical it does not take much movement to move out side vertical area to front or side. If this player swats at the ball it will be more likely a foul than not (pretty hard to swat at balland keep it in the vertical plane) The arm movements would have to be normal guarding movement inside the vertical plane.
Now if we want to get serios about the semantics. Verticiality only applies to legal guarding position. So if we take this further. On a rebound who is guarding who? Ball is loose. Did B who was involved in this rebound face A? Was he in his path? If the answer is no then using all the definitions verticality doesnt even apply.
Would be apply the verticiality rule in that literal of a sense?
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Where does it say that? It says a player can not be penalized for occupying the space in his verticality. It does not say his hands can only go up and down. If horizontal movement of the hands results in contact, yet the hands never left the confines of his air space (some would call this his cone of verticality even though it is shaped more like a cylinder), I've got a no-call. I have yet to see an exception to the verticality rule that tells me this can be called a defensive foul. This is all assuming that B1 is in LGP.
Verticality doesn't just mean the space directly above his shoulders, it applies to the space above his body. Of course, as all of the cone jokes indicate, the exact area protected is not really defined though most of us probably use the torso as a guide.
Adam