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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by blindzebra
And 4-10 requires guarding, guarding is defined in 4-23 and no where in 4-23 does it say LGP is lost if A1 turns away.
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What Dan is saying is that LGP is necessary, which you are agreeing with. He's also saying it's not sufficient. Just having LGP and being within 6 feet isn't enough. THere's more to closely guarding. I'm not saying I agree with him, just that what you're saying doesn't refute what he's saying.
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Originally posted by blindzebra
By your interp, A1 can pivot for 8 full minutes and never reach a 5 second count. All they have to do is turn away from B1. Can't you see how stupid that sounds?
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Dan's talking about dribbling, not holding, the ball. The situations are very different, indeed.
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How are they different? If I am holding the ball and have not dribbled what is my path? If a dribble is required to establish a path, you can never obtain LGP on an offensive player holding the ball, now can you?
Dan is saying the count is off ANYTIME A1 turns away from B1 and B1 is no longer in the path of the direction A1 is facing. That is ridiculous.
Ask yourself this question.
What is the purpose of the closely guarded count?
Possible answers:
1. To reward good defense.
2. To keep the game from becoming actionless.
3. To penalize showboating, by limiting a Curly Neal/And One dribbling display.
How is it rewarding good defense when Dan is requiring B1 to defend the division line if A1 turns away from the basket? It's not. It is illogical and is contradictory to the intent of the rule.
It also allows both 2 and 3 because A1 can end the count any time they face away from B1.
I agree that there is not an exact case play in the rules that clearly supports either of our positions, but at least mind is based on logic and in the spirit of the closely guarded rule.