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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BenGilli
[B]I had a situation last year, where a runner advanced to second base on a passed ball. Once he reached second, the short stop, said, that was a foul ball, you gotta go back to first... the runner then looks at me, and I tell him to stay put, but he heads to first and is thrown out.. I didn't call anything but the out, not sure if i should have given him second base.. This was a teener league game.. let me know what you think. Thanks!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carl Childress
Ben: You did everything you could -- and the player still headed back: He's out!
In high school FED play what the shortstop said is "verbal obstruction," and the runner stays at second: He doesn't have the option to return.
Of course, in my games I always contradicted the fielder when he tried that nonsense. Some umpires will tell you it's not your business.
Don't listen to them. Continue to do just that way.
F6 says: "Hey, Buddy, foul ball."
You say: "No, Buddy, passed ball. You've got second."
Good job. Your instincts are good. Keep at it.
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If this is verbal obstruction in Fed, must not the runner be awarded a minimum of one base beyond his position on base when the obstruction occurred? If he were on 2nd, as was stated, would you not be required by Fed rule to award third base if, indeed, obstruction is enforced?
Did you really enforce this, and if you really did, shouldn't it have been done properly instead of how you elected to do it? Of course, it could be it only happens to you in OBR and never in Fed games---but likely not as you say he stays at 2nd for Fed. Which is right?
Excuse me for questioning, I wasn't sure if this is one where questions are allowed, or if this is doctrine of "official interpretation" for which I am to accept without questioning.
I am also questioning, if allowed, why in OBR you say you would interject yourself. Can you cite the "official interpretation" or J/R or JEA which instructs you to do so? If verbal obstruction is not prohibited at higher levels, it seems you may have just taken away an excellent play by the shortstop (especially if the runner is criminally stupid enough to listen to him).
If someone tried the hidden ball trick would you tell the runner that the fielder had the ball merely because you don't like that technique or style of play? That method would be consistent with your technique of instructing the runner how to run the bases. Which is correct method to use and when? Should I look for facial hairs that may have been shaven? Even then, I have seen the hidden ball trick in Mens leagues. I am confused in following which of your methods to use.
I only wish to see consistency in the methods of how these problems are interpreted and addressed by you with the appropriate solutions. It seems sometimes it is "by the book" and other times it may not be. What do I do on the field when you are not there to choose for me the best solution and which of your methods to apply?
Just a thought if it is to be done right per the book,
Steve
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