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		| Originally posted by Lotto 
 
	"You have to be there" sounds like the best call!Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by cingram Shot missed by a player - he gets his own rebound and drives around the crowd under the hoop trying to lay it up again.
 
 He goes up for the shot and lands on a turtled defender. Balances (sitting) for a few seconds then falls off.
 
 The defender wasn't trying to take a charge - he was in for the rebounding/boxing out, saw the player looming above him, turtled, and in a sense caught him.
 
 Probably more of a - You had to be there to see the play - But just thought I'd see what everybody thinks.
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 Sounds to me as though it's almost certainly not a block.  From the description, I'd lean towards a no-call, as it doesn't sound as though an advantage was gained by the contact.
 
 If the defender hadn't turtled (who knew "turtle" was a verb), then I'd probably lean towards a charge, as the defender would likely be displaced by the driver.
 
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 Even if he did "turtle" you 
could still call a PC foul. There is no requirement that a stationary player be upright or be facing the opponent to draw a PC foul. The shooter doesn't get the right to just run over someone who isn't looking. A defender has the legal right to turn or duck to protect themselves.
That said, I could also agree with a no call in many cases.