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Originally posted by BJ Moose
NO no no.. I am not letting this go, it portrays the wrong message and it misconstrues my purpose and intention.
Let's be clear. Nobody hates anyone. .well at least that applies to me.
Buttsnuffler was coined elsewhere and long ago. I know what it was meant for.. and agree it could be deemed offensive.
But the E***p**r? Means royalty, right? So far, I can't see the offense.
The REASON it ever came up is that SOME OF US (and all EWS members) were tired of YELLING at our computers after "certain persons" insisted on repeating OVER AND OVER AND OVER the same platitudes that were just plain WRONG.
Someone has to take "certain persons" to task who announce themselves as Umpire Royalty, self described experts, and then announce as FACTS things that simply are not true.
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Moose,
I accept your contention that you did not intend to offend anyone by your adoption of this label. I accept your contention that you do not "hate" anyone either. I share that sentiment.
Nevertheless, one might equally accuse YOU of being the E*p***r, and unable to see for fear of being labelled stupid or incompetent, IF you too are unable to see that suggesting someone is deluded, even self-deluded, enough to be unable to admit error IS offensive labelling! Let's phrase that claim another way, Moose...."
Mr E you are WRONG, but you are too deluded, proud, stupid or incompetent to admit you are WRONG!" Isn't that what the Grimm Brothers fairytale is really saying about their E*p***r?
Look at this another way, Moose. You say you (collectively) came up with this label because you (collectively) became tired of screaming "
You're WRONG!" at your computer screens every time you read the posts of certain people. True? In other words, you became frustrated that certain people persistently claimed as FACT issues which were NOT FACT
in your eyes, isn't that so? So tell me, Moose, what makes you think that YOU are RIGHT
in fact and THEY are WRONG
in fact? If I say "
what is 1 + 1" and you say 2 and someone else says 0, who is RIGHT then? Isn't RIGHT and WRONG relative in this case? If you weren't told from the start that those two tailors in the Grimm Brother's fairy tale were con-men and charletons, how would you
really KNOW the E*p***r was naked?
What I am suggesting here is that, according to YOUR reading of a rule or an interpretation, you may be RIGHT in your own eyes (and perhaps those of a few others too), but totally WRONG in FACT, as well as in the eyes of the majority or even in the eyes of a minority IF they are the true experts. TRUTH as you perceive it, Moose, is not necessarily TRUTH in FACT.
If Carl Childress or Jon Bible BOTH say to me "
That is the RIGHT way to apply this rule in NCAA baseball", shouldn't I say "
That's good enough for me"? After all, I've never called NCAA baseball, much less the amount or the level of NCAA baseball that these gentlemen have between them. Heck, I have never even
seen let alone read the NCAA rule book. Shouldn't I defer to them in those circumstances? Don't they have MORE chance of being RIGHT than I do in such matters? What's more, if they also add, "
and the PBUC says this and JEA or J/R says that and they agree here too", doesn't that only strengthen their case beyond anything I can possibly PROVE to the contrary? So later on, say after calling only 3 years of NCAA D3 ball, if I now become
absolutely convinced in my own mind that they're WRONG, does that now make ME RIGHT and THEM WRONG
in fact? I don't think so, Moose.
I don't remember anyone here or elsewhere declaring themselves anything LIKE "Umpire royalty" or "experts". Because you
perceive it to be so doesn't
make it so, Moose. Perception only becomes Reality if it gains popular currency. Having only 2 or 3 agree, out of perhaps 10 times that number or more, does not constitute "popular currency" any more than it makes the 2 or 3 RIGHT and anyone else WRONG.
So, if I look at an issue and say "
This is the RIGHT answer" and Carl Childress, JEA, J/R and the OBR all say I'm RIGHT, but Moose, Steve, and Peter of EWS all say I'm WRONG, who has the better chance of REALLY being RIGHT
in fact?
Cheers,
[Edited by Warren Willson on Feb 23rd, 2001 at 12:04 AM]