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As I read these posts I get the impression that there may be disagreement regarding whether a player with the ball under the chin with elbows out (i.e., chinning the ball) is in a legal offensive position (if there is such a concept).
Clearly, if the player with the ball holds out a fully extended stiff arm horizontally with the intent to hold off the player from getting close to the ball, that would not be considered legal (even though he claimed that space first). In such a case, a defensive player initiating contact with the arm to get closer to the ball should not be called for the foul (should they?). Would this be a PC foul?
I get the impression that Rainmaker is stating that holding the ball under the chin with the elbows out is a similar situation. And, if the defender initiates contact with the elbow to get closer to the ball, then it is a PC foul on the offense...even if the player with the ball is not pivoting or moving the elbows. Rainmaker states..."The defender is entitled to that space right next to the ball-handler". That can't be right...can it? Coaches have been teaching "chinning the ball" for years.
And, there should be a distinction made between "creating space" and "claiming space". Is Snagwells also also trying to say...find another way to claim space?
I realize the original thread was describing a "creating space" situation, but some of the responses seemed to go a little bit too far. That is, what is legal space that can be claimed.
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