[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Camron, you have forgotten one very important thing, see the whole play. I agree with you that one could possible see the contact as fighting but in this case this is highly unlikely. One should not go looking for things that aren't there. KISS is the best way to handle this play. This is a personal foul and only one of three types occured: common, intentional, or flagrant. Do not apply rules that do not apply to the play.

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Uh, Mark, somehow I find it strange to read this coming from you, as in the past you have advocated:
1) Calling three technical fouls for the same act- i.e. a player jumping off of a teammate, who is on his hands and knees, and then dunking the ball.
2) Giving out two technical fouls to an opponent for a single act-i.e. reaching over the OOB line and then touching the ball while it was being held for a throw-in- one T for reaching OOB on a throw-in after being warned(R9-2-11PENALTY2), and the other T for subsequently touching the ball OOB(R10-3-11).

One should not go looking for things that aren't there? KISS? Do not apply rules that do not apply to the play?

LOL!

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Apr 30th, 2004 at 01:24 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]


First, lets address Play #2 above. I have NEVER, I repeat NEVER, advocated such a ruling. The casebook play is quite specific; it is only technical foul charged to the defender, and if the defensive team has yet to be warned for crossing the boundary plane during a throw-in, it is to also receive a warning.


Now, lets address Play #1. The play in question occured in 1991 or 1992 in the NW Ohio Regional of the Ohio State Games (similar to New York's Empire State Games). The game group was boys' 16U. Team B was getting beat by about 35 points in the second half and its coach had already received a technical foul for unsportsmanlike conduct it the first half and a player from the team had received early in the second half. The whole team was made up of a bunch of jerks. With about three or four minutes left in the game B1 intercepted a pass and started to drive in for an uncontested layup. B2 yelled to him to wait up and then proceeded to get down on his hands and knees in the free throw lane and B1 then proceeded to get up on his back and then dunked the ball. NFHS R10-S3-A7e states: "A player shall not commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as climibing on or lifting a teammate to secure a greater height." B1 and B2's false double foul caused the ball to be dead and then B1 proceeded to dunk a dead ball for a second technical foul. Granted this is a play that one would normally find only in a casebook or rules exam, but it is quite possible to find in such tournaments as the Ohio Games with undisciplined teams entered. I do not think that this type of play would ever occur in a real high school or college game.


So how do the two plays that we have discussed have anything to do with the play being discussed in this thread.