Fri Apr 30, 2004, 11:57am
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Re: Re: Re: My guess
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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Originally posted by Damian
I didn't make that call, but I would guess that my partner determined that the action was an unsportsmanlike act instead of a flagrant foul. Similar to taunting during a live ball.
It may have not been the correct interpretation of the rules, but the difference is that the person stayed in the game and the rest of the tournament.
This tournament was 17U with the best teams in the country and about 75-100 college coaches in attendance. Not that this changes the rules, but that is the way it was called.
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A1 swinging his elbows may well have been unsportsmanlike, but it was definitely not an act of taunting, the only factor that governs this play is that A1 made illegal contact with B1 while the ball was live, and that makes it a personal foul. Your partner then has to make a judgement as to whether it is a common foul, an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul.
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I beg to differ. The act of swinging the elbows at the player's head precedes the contact. I would judge the act as unsportsmanlike and call a T. The contact was just the icing on the cake. The unsportsmanlike part of the player technical rule only lists some examples and clearly says "but is not limited to". So, it is up to the official to determine what other things are unsportsmanlike.
You could call it fighting...which is clearly a T according to rule 10-3-10. It can be fighting because rule 4-18 clearly states that fighing can happen when the ball is live or dead and is based on the attempt to strike and does not depend on whether contact is made or not.
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Camron, you have forgotten one very important thing, see the whole play. I agree with you that one could possible see the contact as fighting but in this case this is highly unlikely. One should not go looking for things that aren't there. KISS is the best way to handle this play. This is a personal foul and only one of three types occured: common, intentional, or flagrant. Do not apply rules that do not apply to the play.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
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