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"The rulebook clearly says the outside of the ring. Just tell them to read R9-11-2. That says that the cylinder has the ring as it's base. In other words, the ring is part of the cylinder. It's that simple. If BI was only inside the ring, then the ring obviously couldn't be part of the base."
Interesting -- that's clear as day. As it turns out, I don't tell these guys anything, though -- just listen. I'm the wannabe in that group. I probably misunderstood since the rule is so clear.
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