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Originally posted by Judge Roy
but no one has answered my question.
Let me make it simpler for you.
Who has authority to issue an order to officials contradicting the rules of the game?
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The question does not make sense. For one, officials are hired by individuals that have to answer to the NCAA. And those individuals that hire officials have philosophies that are widely accepted by the rules committee (mick explained that). And the NCAA puts out video tapes on every year about acceptable calls and "no-calls" or things to "pass on." And that is the language that is used by the NCAA directly. And if you ever attend and NCAA Rules Meeting, they talk about what direction the game is on and how strict or leniant officials should be on particular rules.
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
Have they done so?
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Has who done so?
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
Where is the written order?
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Written order for what? If you think someone says, "ignore this rule" that is not the case. But the NCAA comes up with philsophies as to how they want the game to be called. At the NCAA Rules Meetings (officials come from several states to attend in about 8 cites) they give an NCAA Official's Handbook, where they discuss in great detail what should be called and why. And this is not directly in the Rulebook. And the CCA Manual has some Officiating guidelines as well as the actual rulebook.
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
A referees' association or training camp, so far as I know have no authority to change the rules. Thus, when an official sees contact that's a fould, right?
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NO. There is a rule in the NCAA Rulebook and the NF Rulebook that discussed extensively about "Incidental Contact." So extensively that the wording is specific that, "all contact is not a foul." Then both rulebooks go on to say, "contact can be severe and not be a foul." But if you had ever picked up a rulebook, you would know that.
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
Under the rules of basketball is contact a foul or not a foul?
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If the contact affects the play and puts someone at an advantage or at a disadvantage. But then again, you have been listening to commetators that have never officiated on the level they are commentating about, telling everyone "that is a foul" and "that is not a foul."
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
These are easy fellas. Please answer these questions directly. Your ad hominem attacks are unseemly among junior high students. Coming from responsible, adult sports officials they indicate that you resort to being a smart mouth in the adsence of the anwer.
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I do not think anyone attacked you. I know what I am saying to you is not an attack. I am just stating the obvious that you have never officiated and do not understand officiating. It would be like me telling an Engineer or a Computer Designer the normal practices that they adhere to as being wrong as industry standards. I have not gone to school or ever worked in those type of fields or never did so on a major scale, how am I going to tell those folks what is right or wrong? And the fact you think "contact is a foul," just illustrates that point to many of us. Sorry but it is the truth.
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Originally posted by Judge Roy
I am not now an official but was one for a short time years ago.
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Just because you were an official at one time does not give you credibility on this issue. Because I am an officials that does mostly HS varsity and has done some college the past few years. By no means am I an expert on all things officiating, but I have been around many officials at all levels (NBA as well) and heard them speak on what should be called and not called according to the literal wording in the rules. And if you every heard Marcy Weston and Hank Nichols speak in person, you will realize that they do not want a literal interpretation on many rules. One of the reasons they put out bulletins during the year to have officials focus on how they want the game to be called. And at the college level, the coaches are the ones that really make the rules. But in front of both books they make it clear that the "spirit and intent" is what should be called, not the "literal wording" to be called. Bob has already made that clear, but you are still asking. Did you read the posts or did you just claim someone did not answer your question?
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I am not a coach but have been.
I am not any longer a player except if you dare call my golf game "playing".
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Just more reason you have no credibility on this issue yourself. And you keep thinking a foul is based only on the fact that contact occurs.
Peace
[Edited by JRutledge on Mar 28th, 2004 at 03:05 PM]