Mon Mar 22, 2004, 11:34am
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Houghton, U.P., Michigan
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Originally posted by Dakota
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Dakota
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Originally posted by mick
Dakota,
What page is that on?
What is "DC plays" ?
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It is an inference from rule 8-6-18, which says that a retired BR is not guilty of interference if she runs to 1st base as if the U3K rule was in effect. IOW, the defense is required to KNOW that the batter is out and not throw to 1st attempting to retire her again, and if they do so and as a result another runner advances, well, DC. ("Dumb catcher.")
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Tom
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Dakota,
Well, yeah.
The defense would know, because, the runner was "declared out". What the ump says... goes. REF: 2-38-1: "An out is a declaration by the umpire indicating an offensive player has been retired. Each team is entitled to three outs per inning."
Using 8-6-18 as a guideline that the defense should deny themselves the declaration, by umpires, is quite a stretch from not declaring interference on an uncaught third strike.
If we stretch this interpretation to a home plate declaration of out, do we then, for consistancy, go to all the bases and have each fielder question each and every out where they know they pulled their foot, yet received an advantageous call? (ie, Two outs runner on third, throw to first. (Out!) First baseman knows foot was slightly pulled, but risking a call reversal rolls ball to the mound,
or fires to Home plate for potential 4th out.)
The Ump made the call. If an allowable protest must be made, so be it.
mick
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Can we keep this topic off of judgment calls and onto misapplication of the rules calls? On a judgment call, when the umpire judges the player to be out, she's out. On a misapplication of the rule, no, she isn't out. It may be old smallball tradition that an out call can never be recinded, but that is not the case with softball.
How this gets resolved is the big question.
However, there is no play to let stand, since the umpire killed the play. You can't declare the BR out for entering the dugout after the umpire killed the play.
The game is not over since the final "out" was a misapplication of the rules.
The question is, how to resolve it so the players can end the game.
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Dakota,
I certainly agree with the subject of the "big question" of how to resolve the original play.
My resolution was to have the batter be out and follow protest procedures if necessary.
TexBlue wanted the Batter on first and continue the game.
Chuck chopper may be suggesting a rule change and do over.
I miss your suggestion.
mick
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