[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Nevada, you're completely and conveniently ignoring rule 5-6 and casebook plays 5.6CommentB and 6.3.1SitB again. You know, the rules that tells you when a quarter ENDS and how to administer technical fouls after a quarter ENDS?

On the contrary, I already stated why those plays do not provide a conclusive ruling on this senario. Here is what I said before:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
I do not believe that 5-6-4 or the Case Book play you quoted instructs us as what to do after the free throws have been shot at the wrong time. They both only tell us how it should be done if nothing gets screwed up. In the absence of a clear proceedure such as is outlined in 2-10 for fixing a correctable error or a Case Book play similar to 8.7 Sit B, which tells us how to treat these mistimed FTs, it will have to continue to be a difference of opinion.

But I'll say it again, in short, in not one of those references do the officials mistakenly award the FTs BEFORE the intermission. Therefore, none of the rules you quote tell us how to deal with this screwed up play we are discussing.

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Of course the timing of shooting the FT's was an official's mistake. But the officials made that mistake AFTER the second period ENDED.

We agree upon the facts that a mistake was made by the officials and that by rule the 2nd quarter had ended. So you have a rule that you can point to that says the mistake was made AFTER the 2nd quarter ended; however, what you fail to see is that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that you can point to that says that the mistake was made AFTER the 3rd quarter had started. You keep saying that the 2nd quarter ended and I keep saying that the 3rd quarter hadn't yet started. For heaven's sake we haven't even had the halftime intermission yet! Both points seem right. Just for once try to view it from the opposite direction.
Ask yourself, "Had the 3rd quarter began when the officials administered the FTs for the T BEFORE THE HALFTIME INTERMISSION?" I don't think so. I don't like the idea that the 10-minute halftime intermission would have to be interpreted to take place DURING the 3rd quarter, but you are welcome to have a different opinion.
The bottom line is that I believe that the FTs were mistakenly treated as if they were "related activity" of the 2nd quarter, even though they should not have been, and because that is how they were ACTUALLY administered, that is how they need to be recorded in the scorebook, approved by the referee at the end of the half, and thought of for applying 5-6-3 (no part of penalty carries over from one quarter to the next).

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Compounding that mistake by giving an AP would be YOUR mistake and YOUR mistake alone!

Unless, of course, the NFHS writes a new Case Book play on how to handle this mistake and my way turns out to be the right way. Then you will stand with the cheese.

Lastly, I'd like to add the you should notice that during the whole discussion I have never said that you are flat out wrong. I believe that you have made many good points, and I value your opinions, even if I disagree with them. Thank you for the time you spent debating this goofy play with me.