Bob and Brad are correct. You can't call this a violation guys, no matter how much you don't like it. You know, it hasn't been but a week or two ago that we discussed this play. The topic was, "Where is it in the book?" and the link is
http://www.officialforum.com/thread/1537
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Originally posted by Richard Ogg
The key is if A1 loses control of the ball or not. If control is really lost (e.g., ball bounces off of foot) then it is legal. If the player simply goes OOB and returns to be the first to touch the ball, then OOB. It doesn't matter how many times the ball bounces, the issue is if the player is in control or not.
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You can't change the rules to read like you want them to. An interrupted dribble doesn't have to go off someone's foot for the dribbler to lose control. If the ball momentarily gets away from the dribbler, you have an interrupted dribble and there is no player control.
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Originally posted by winston robinson
I remember somewhere in my ref ed. class hearing that you may 'fumble-dribble-fumble', but you may not, 'dribble-fumble-dribble', this would be a violation. So to go OOB after dribbling then re-enter the boundary to re-establish your dribble would be a violation. I agree with your partner "Violation"
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You are correct about "dribble, fumble, dribble" but there's no fumble in this play. This is "dribble, interrupted dribble, dribble" and it's perfectly legal.
4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball
unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.
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Originally posted by BigDave
I'm gonna go out on a limb and disagree with you, Brad. Since the player had control before going OOB, I believe this is a violation. If I'm wrong, I owe you a soda.
Someone please post the rule reference to either validate my opinion or prove I'm a dumbass.
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You owe Brad a soda. The rules regarding a player going OOB and then returning are covered under 7-1-1 and 7.1.1. They don't specifically address an interrupted dribble but they do address player control. And as you know, there is no player control during an ID.
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Originally posted by mcdanrd
Like I said earlier, i do not have my books with me but I do happen to have a copy of Part II of the NFHS 2000-01 Basketball Rules Examination. Question 67 address this issue. Question 67 is as follows: "A1 may be out of bounds without penalty if A1, while dribbling, goes out of bounds to avoid B1 and then comes back inbounds to continue the dribble." I did not note the rule reference, but I did note that I answered this correctly and the correct answer is False.
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I'm glad you got the question correct but that's a different play. There's no loss of player control in the NF exam question. There was loss of PC in the original post. The rule reference for #67 is pasted below.
9-3 Note
A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.
SUMMARY
As long as he doesn't have control of it when he steps OOB, the play is legal. The fact that he had player control prior to going OOB has absolutely nothing to do with it.
We're making this so much harder than it is. Unless he is dribbling when he touches the line, or steps on the line while holding or touching the ball, the ball is not OOB.
The ball is not OOB if there is an interrupted dribble and the player goes OOB.
You can't decide that it's not an interrupted dribble because you don't like the way the play looked. Whether the ball accidentally gets away from him or he lets it get away, it's still an interrupted dribble.
Whether he went OOB voluntarily or involuntarily has nothing to do with it. The only issue to consider with regards to this is whether he intentionally went OOB to deceive or gain an advantage.
Isn't this fun?
