[greymule]

Thanks for your comments, Roger. We certainly do not want to add to the already considerable confusion among coaches, players, and fans by throwing terminology around sloppily.

I still don't know, however, how it could make any difference if we considered a batter out before reaching 1B a force out. Maybe there is a case, though. Of course, appeals for leaving too soon on a fly ball must not be called force plays, since they are time plays and incorrect terminology would be confusing.

I guess my comment about penance was answered well with a reference to St. Paul. I enjoyed the analogy, as did my father, who has taught at Princeton Theological Seminary for the past 50 years.