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Originally posted by theboys
I tread pretty lightly on this site because I know I'm not as rule savvy as most of you, and I know this site isn't really for non-refs, but for those of you who wonder why you don't get more respect, you need to look at the other side of the a/d argument, from a coach's or fan's perspective. Because a/d does have a dark side.
I've been a part of games where "incidental" contact escalates until, basically, the game gets out of control. Incidental contact becomes hard fouls, and by the time the officials start calling fouls, frustration and anger have reached a boiling point. I'm not whining about my team - we've been on the offending side as much as we've been on the offended side.
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The only problem with A/D, is that folks do not understand it. There is no dark side to it at all. You cannot call a foul on a bigger player because the smaller player just runs into him and bounces off. The defense is allowed to play too, and many think if there is any contact with the ball handler, you should call a foul. Contact can be severe and no foul. I do not care if someone gets frustrated, that is there problem. The game should be called that way, and the rules back this up.
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Originally posted by theboys
And, you're right, not all contact is a foul, but if you're not going to be consistent with your calls, or you're not going to establish ahead of time a line beyond which everything is a foul, you set yourself up for failure. If someone slaps a passer on the arm, it shouldn't matter whether the pass was successful or not in your decision to call a foul.
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Well I categorically disagree with that. Because just because you get slapped on the arm is not a justification for a foul. Because if you are allowed to follow thru on your pass and you make slight contact on the arm, I am not taking back a layup for a foul that had no affect on the play at all. No different if a dribbler tries to split two defenders that are just standing there basically. It would be totally inproper to call a foul on the defenders because the dribbler made a bad decision. Of course there are officials that would call a foul, but that does not make it right.
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Originally posted by theboys
As for the three second call, I think not making the call is a cop-out. If you call it a couple of times, players will wise up. Or, they'll be taken out of the game.
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Well that would be great, but it has to be there. Most of the time people are complaining about 3 seconds when the rules do not allow that call. The higher you go up, the more you do not see a player in the lane. Players like driving to the lane, not playing with their back to the basket anymore. With all the motion offenses, you see it even less.
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Originally posted by theboys
If a player bringing in the ball uncontested picks it up, and just walks with it under his arm to half court, where the defense is waiting in a passive zone, do you call the travel? The ball handler isn't gaining an advantage. But, its a violation, so you call it. Three seconds in the lane is a violation - call it.
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I have called that. And who says the dribbler is not gaining an advantage? If you have to travel to make a uncontested layup, you gained an advantage. And if you call a travel in that situation, it was probably obvious to most in the building. But then again, that is my opinion. And I have heard that some officials here do not call that, but I have yet to run into officials that have shared that philosophy. Now the problem with traveling, is that most coaches and fans do not know when it takes place. And I know many coaches that seemed to have never heard of a jump stop. Especially those schools that claim they are fundamental, when they play those "urban" teams where every player uses the jump stop to some extent. But 3 seconds starts and ends so fast, most do not even know when we have started another count.
Peace