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Yea I understand Clay, but I am not the one that brought up the white on the shoes.. I used to have the converse run n ref a few years ago with the white star and not to many said a word about it.. My ankles are bothering me lately like last year about this time and so I bought a pair of Slamtastics but a few weeks ago they ripped out on me so looking for something popular to wear among ref's.. Thanks Smitty will look into that web site..
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