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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
Jrut-
Is every game you call perfect? Has a coach ever been correct about a game situation? Have you ever been in a situation where you watched you partner butcher a call and the coach was on him about it, you knew the coach was right?
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What does any of that have to do with the conversation we are having?
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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
The point is- we are imperfect and we should all be trying to get better and handle every situation better. Isn't that why we use the forum? To learn from others experiences.
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We are hear to learn from other's experience, we are not here (at least I am not) to agree with everything thing that is said, especially one from a coach. Because I do not know any official that agrees with each other on everything. And because you have a point of view, does not make it right for me, nor is that the right way to handle a situation.
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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
You sound like a very experienced official (3 sports). You spend time on the forum reading and sharing. Your posts read like you have a very hard line on this. Is it possible that a coach is noticing what could be an inequality and it is coming out as frustration?
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I did not realize frustration gave you a pass to say what ever you like. But I will remember that next time for sure.
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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
And, if that is the case- do we really want to continue to referee the game with inequality? I believe that you are passionate enough about your profession to fix a mistake if you happen to make one.
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The foul total is not my mistake. Chances are, I did not call all the fouls. Chances are, I might not even called all the fouls to make the inequality in the foul totals. I can speak for myself, usually when the foul total is different, it is because one team is playing one way, the other team is playing another. Or at the very least, one team is being out coached, while the other team is trying to find excuses.
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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
Even when comments come out as frustration- we have duty for the game to keep coaches in check. You are right! Is there a way to do this with out bringing up cheating? Can't we give the coaches the benifit of the doubt that they don't think we are cheating? For the good of the game?
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Who said anything about using the words "cheating?" I have said that the words I use is "integrity." If you are trying to suggest I have none, then I have the right to comment. Just like I have the right to say something to a coach that "knows" I saw something I was not even looking at a particular play, "HE" thinks I was. I guess when I am standing in front of him and I am asked about that, I have no right to comment then either? If a coach tells me, "you saw that play," when I am watching something completely different, I might say to him, "my partner had a great look at that play." Now does that make me confrontational to make that comment? According to the comments that have been said to me, it has to be confrontational. Because anytime we say something, we are out of line. At least according to Hawk Coach.
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Originally posted by bsktball_ref
Before you respond- please consider what I am suggesting. Not letting a coach get away with inappropriate criticism; that cannot happen. Rather, listening-considering-gracefully diffusing-moving on.
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What is there to consider? That I totally disagree with your point of view on this? Because that is all there is to consider. The last time I gave a T on a coach, it was for a comment that questioned my competency and the words he used were "READ A RULEBOOK, READ A RULEBOOK, READ A RULEBOOK!!!" Now that was last January a year ago. It was the first T I have given for conduct on a coach or player in about 2 years from that point. So I guess I should have turned the other cheek and walked away when those comments were made because he was frustrated and did not get his way. By the way, I was not only right(based on the rule he was complaining about), but most officials I talked to off this board agreed that he needed to be dealt with. Only people on this board said, "you did the wrong thing." So I guess that shows who I listen to. All of us are different. If you want to handle the situation differently, that is your prerogative. But it works for me and that is all that is important in my world. If it works for you to let a coach call you what is essentially a "cheater" without saying anything, more power to you.
Peace