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Originally posted by JeffTheRef
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The only way that you can end up with an ejection in this case is if you call the elbow contact a flagrant personal foul. Hitting someone with an elbow doesn't really fit the definition of "fighting".
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you're wrong about the fighting. Anybody throws an elbow hard and makes contact, that's not just an intentional personal, it's flagrant and they're out. To do otherwise is to invite mayhem.
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Who said it was an intentional personal foul? As written above, I said that if you ejected someone, it had to be a flagrant personal foul. Rule 4-19-4 backs that up completely. If you wanna call that flagrant personal foul for throwing an elbow "fighting", be my guest. I wouldn't. Imo, the elbow could be a flagrant act, but if I did call it that, I would never call that particular flagrant act "fighting". I'd call it a "deliberate attempt to injure". I save "fighting" for someone that actually throws a punch or tries to kick somebody.
Btw, riddle me this,Batman:
Rule 4-18-1 Fighting- "
Fighting includes...an attempt to strike,punch or kick an opponent with a fist,hands,arms,legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made".
So,by the above rule,if a player throws a punch and it misses,you can call it "fighting", charge the player with a flagrant foul,and then eject him. My question to you now is- "if a player throws an elbow that misses, are you still going to call this "fighting" and then eject him for it? Please check out R9-13-1Penalty before you answer.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 5th, 2003 at 08:49 PM]