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Originally posted by Tom M.
In response to Mark's questions: (As best I can)
1) B1 momentum in getting to the spot to defend carried her with her weigh going backward. She was not steady on her feet.
2) B1 was out of position by being on the wrong side of A1. This happen because she arrived slightly late to defend and couldn't get to the proper position. Because A1 (with her back to the basket) was a right handed shot A1 would normally turn toward the basket going to her right hand to shoot or lay the ball in using the left hand to create space. B1 was on the opposite side (weak side) of A1, in my opinion out of the best defensive position. She was not directly between A1 and the basket, more to the side.
3) BUT, even though B1 had arrived late she had established LGP prior to A1's pivot and kept it during the exchange. She had two feet touching the playing court and had her torso facing A1.
4) The play ends by A1 instead of turning to her strong side
(right) goes the opposite way (into B1's weak side defensive position) and strikes B1 in the face with her elbow/arm. B1 because she was on that side had her face directly in the path of A1 offensive move. She was not directly between A1 and the basket but more to the side.
This maybe information overload is what I observed in making my no call. This situation may be tough to judge without seeing it. But I still think the no call is the right one.
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First, I would like to thank you for the additional information. Second, in my original post I asked if B1 was between A1 and Team A's basket. It should be stated that B1 does not have to between A1 and Team A's basket to establish a legal guarding position; this is true even in post play.
1) You stated that B1 had established a legal guarding position against A1 and that B1 established her legal guarding position on A1's "weak" side as opposed to A1's "strong" side. B1's establishment of a legal guarding position against A1 on A1's "weak" side is of no consequence. Nothing in the rules requires that B1 establish a legal guarding position on A1's "strong" side.
2) You stated that B1 arrived late to get to a "proper" position. I usually do not like to assume anything, but by "proper" position I assume you mean between A1 and Team A's basket. The rules do not require B1 to be between A1 and Team A's basket to establish a legal guarding position and by your own words, B1 had established a legal guarding position against A1, nor do the rules require B1 to establish a legal guarding position in the best defensive position.
3) You stated that B1's momentum in moving to establish a legal guarding position left her unsteady on her feet and that her movement after establishing her legal guarding position was in a backward direction (once again I am assuming that this movement was away from A1). Whether B1's movement was the result of being off balance or not, she was moving legally to maintain her legal guarding position.
4) Just because A1 decided to pivot toward her "weak" side does not allow her to make illegal contact with a defender who has established a legal guarding position against her.
5) Therefore B1 had established a legal guarding position against A1 and was legally maintaining that position when A1 pivoted into B1. A1's hit B1 in the face with her forearm. This sounds like illegal contact to me by A1 and a player control foul on A1. It does not matter to which side A1 decided to pivot. It only matters that B1 had established a legal guarding position agains A1 and A1's movement caused illegal contact by A1 against B1.