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Originally posted by mick
What's the violation?
Ball Out-of-bounds - Ball never touched out of bounds 4-4
Oviously not applicable
Player Out-of-bounds - So what? Wasn't touching the ball 4-35. Player leaving the court - accidentally stepping out-of-bounds is not illegal 10-3-3
Also, obviously not applicable.
Causing the ball to go out of bounds (Note: the dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on the line or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds. 9-3)-
THIS IS APPLICABLE
Wasn't dribbling,
Ahhh HA! "Wasn't dribbling." This is your decision. What makes you feel that the dribble has ended? Surely, as shown in the comedian's guide, if he continues to dribble (retouches), he has violated and the dribble did not end when he stepped OOB. This is not news JARef. This obviously violates the Note of 9-3.
but had been dribbling and was passing 4-31.
Surely you don't feel that intentionally allowing the ball to bounce away during mid-dribble is a pass and hopefully you don't feel it is an interrupted dribble. My opinion is that the dribble has not yet ended. And that if he did not step OOB he could allow the ball to bounce a few extra times and then catch up and continue dribbling. No violation - dribble didn't end.
a Player did not dribble, step out of bounds, continue dribbling and get called for the *retouch*. Player did not *retouch*.
mick
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So for me, the crux of the matter really comes with "When do you feel the dribble ends?" Did the dribble end before he stepped on the line - as though he were passing, or attempting to save a ball headed OOB and he goes one way and the ball goes another. Or do you feel the dribble ended after he stepped on the line and says "I'm not going to retouch."
From what I envision of this play, I'm thinking the latter is the case we are discussing - the ball and the dribbler are still, pretty much going the same direction parallel to the OOB line, and that the dribbler recognized he had stepped OOB and made a decision to not retouch. I would call this a violation at the time he stepped OOB. I would not call it an OOB violation if I felt the dribbler pushed the ball away from himself so it is moving in a new and different direction and then the dribbler subsequently stepped or fell OOB.
So, to the original poster, justification is given for both sides of the decision.