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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 05:11am
Nevadaref Nevadaref is offline
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I can't believe that you had all of this happen in one game!

For the rulings, I agree with all of Camron's answers, except I'm not sure that the ball was live for the foul in your toss play. I'm also going to give you detailed and specific references for the plays from BOTH the casebook and rules book. Sometimes it is a great help to read the casebook plays on these situations.

1. Can't travel during a dribble, 4.43.5 Sit B and Rules Fundamentals #6 on page 77
2. Intentional foul during throw-in means the team retains the right to run the endline, 7.5.7 Sit D, 7-5-7
3. Kicked ball near the endline means the team retains the right to run, 7.5.7 Sit B and 7-5-7
4. The ball becomes live on a jump ball when the tossed ball leaves the referee's hand. (6-1-2a) If the contact occurred before this and you judge that it is intentional (4-19-3) or flagrant (4-19-4) then it is a technical foul because the ball was dead (4-19-5c, 10-3-8), otherwise the contact is ignored (4-19-1 NOTE), and ANYONE on the opposing team may attempt the free throws, not just the player who was fouled. (8-3)
If the ball has left the ref's hand, then the foul could be either a common foul (4-19-2), an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul at your discretion, but it is a personal foul since the ball was live(4-19-1), and the player who was fouled must attempt the free throws, if any, unless he is injured. (8-2) If it is a common foul and the team is not in the bonus (say we are having the original jump to start the game) then no free throws are awarded (Summary of Penalties for all Fouls 1a pg. 67 rules book), but if they are in the bonus (the jump is to start an extra period and this team has committed the required number of fouls for the bonus) award what is appropriate, 1-and-1 or 2. (Summary of Penalties for all Fouls 3a+b pg. 67 rules book)
As for the AP arrow, 4-3 and some casebook plays cover how to set the initial arrow. If the foul was a technical, we won't have a jump ball (6-1-2 NOTE), and the arrow will be set when the ball is placed at the disposal of the THROWER for the division line throw-in. (4-3-3b, 6.3.1 Sit A)
If the foul was an intentional or flagrant personal do the same thing as for a T, but strictly speaking we did have a jump ball, it just didn't last very long. (4-3-3b, 6.3.1 Sit E)
If the foul was a common foul then you set the arrow when you place the ball at the disposal of the FREE-THROWER, if the team is in the bonus (4-3-2, 4.3.2 Sit) or when you place the ball at the disposal of the THROWER, if they are not shooting. (4-3-3c, 6.3.1 Sit E)
5. If the fouls occurred during the dead ball following the goal, then a double-technical should be called. (4.19.7 Sit A part b) No free throws are awarded and the AP arrow is used for possession.
If the fouls happened after the ball was at the disposal of the team that was scored upon, then the ball is live and a double-personal foul should be called. (4.19.7 Sit A part a) Still no free-throws and use the arrow.
6. NFHS calls this an "Accidental Whistle" in 7.5.4 Sit., but as you said this casebook play does not say whether or not the try counts or even if it was successful. I believe that in this play it must not have been successful based upon the ruling given, and that in the future this new casebook play will be changed to clarify this. Anyway, what you want is in 4-11 and 6-7.
Since this whistle was not for a foul by the opponents (6-7 Exception #3), continuous motion (4-11) does not apply, and the field goal only counts if the ball was in flight at the time of the whistle (6-7-5 Exception #1.), otherwise the ball becomes dead immediately. (6-7-5)
Lastly, Camron's suggestion that you just go with the 3-second violation is fine if the ball was still in the shooter's hand, but by rule you cannot have a 3-second violation if the try has been released since team control has ended. (9-7-1, 4-12-3a)
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