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Originally posted by ljudge
When you say "at the snap" do you mean he moved forward to get set, then in less than a second, the ball was snapped. "c it first" brings up a subtle (and important) point.
If you're saying the player was possibly out of position and moved up to the line as the ball was being snapped, then illegal motion.
If you're saying the player was out of position and he moved into position, but wasn't set for a full second, he's still considered to be a player in motion, hence still an illegal motion penalty. The only way this situation could be an illegal shift is if everyone had not been set for a full second at once (before the A player moved up).
Lastly, if as "c it first" is referring to, the player was the only one to react to the snap, you have nothing. It's just everyone else was slow.
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REPLY: Just to add my comments...for Federation:
- If he moves forward abruptly, simulating action at the snap, it's a FALSE START. (Same for NCAA)
- If he's still moving forward at the snap, possibly to get to his correct position, it's ILLEGAL MOTION. (Same for NCAA)
- If he's able to stop prior to the snap, but is set for less than the required one second, it's an ILLEGAL SHIFT since even he must be set for that one second. (Legal for NCAA)
I disagree with 'c it first's' statement. If the snapper is late with the snap, and this player is stuck moving forward, it's probably a false start.
Bob M.