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Originally posted by Dan_ref
...this discussion has been good for me, because at least if I have this play I'll confidently call it and I'll stand by it even when my supervisor calls me at midnight wanting to know what the hell happened in my game. ...Anyway, good mid October discussion!
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That is exactly why I chose to start this thread, Dan. In fact, I even said that we have had a discussion before about the endline stuff on this board and it was that discussion, which helped me make up my mind about how I understand the pertinent rules and what I will call if the situation ever comes up. Well, for me it did.
The reason the description of the plays left off where they did is that it was at that point that I blew the whistle in each case.
The calls were:
Play #1 Technical foul on the teammate of the thrower for leaving the court. I believe that this was the proper call since he ran OOB almost the entire width of the court. When I reported the T his coach tried to say that he was forced OOB, to which I responded, "Then why did he run all the way across the gym OOB?" He put his hands on his head, said, "I don't know," rather sheepishly and sat down.
After the game I chatted with my partner about the play and told him that I probably could have gotten away with calling a violation for having more than one player OOB during a designated-spot throw-in, but I believed that that call would not have been appropriate for what this player did. I think that the violation is for cases when a teammate steps out next to the thrower and he hands him the ball or when the team runs an endline pass play not after a goal is scored. For me it is a difference between simply stepping OOB and standing there or running a fair distance OOB.
Play #2 Five second violation. I did what Chuck said, and just kept counting. When I reached five the kid had chased down the ball, but still hadn't released it on a throw-in pass. After studying the rules due to our last discussion on this, I decided that no rule prohibits the ball from hitting a wall, bleacher, fan, or cheerleader, while teammates are passing OOB. Most of the articles that are in 9-2 don't apply because they are written for either a throw-in pass, which this is not, or a designated-spot throw-in. For example, art.1 is about leaving the designated-spot, and we know that a player certainly can do this after a goal, since he could set the ball down OOB run onto the court and then come back and pick it up again or have a teammate come and get it. And art.2 is clearly talking about a throw-in pass, not a pass between teammates who are OOB.
The points raised by Camron Rust, and Hawks Coach, etc., are good and I handle them this way: the rules say the throw-in must be made from any point outside the endline. (7-5-7) However, there is no requirement that the ball or a player must remain behind the endline (between the sidelines) prior to the throw-in pass being made. So if a team chucks the ball into the tenth row, it can go get it, but must bring the ball back to any point outside the endline before making the throw-in pass. They just can't pass it in from up there. Also, I believe that if a player runs into the stands who is not chasing down the ball, but just running up there for a pass or as a decoy, he should be hit with a T for leaving the playing court.
I hope that others learned from thinking about these plays, even if they decide not to call them as I do. The point is to be prepared for them.
PS Black scored after the five second violation and forced overtime, and then White eventually won by two.