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Side question: can the appeal still be honored even after the absent batter has been declared out? I'd say so since no pitch was thrown.
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This whole topic has been an interesting discussion on a situation that should very rarely come up. I would disagree here, Tom. If the out is for a missing batter in the lineup, no pitch would ever be thrown!
If this scenario presented itself, I would wait for the play to finish, pause for a moment to see if the defense was going to appeal, then declare the missing batter out. Once the missing batter is declared out, I would not honor the appeal.
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I understand your reasoning, and am obviously not dogmatic about my answer, since I posed the question in the first place.
However, since an automatic out for playing shorthanded is not one of the conditions mentioned in 8-7F-I EFFECT.1, I wonder how it would hold up under protest?
How about other conditions where the batter is declared out without a pitch being thrown? E.g. entering the batter's box with an altered or illegal bat? Are no appeals honored after that, either? If so, aren't you penalizing the defense for an infraction by the offense?