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JRutledge

I was working at a high school camp that had a JUCO assignor that ran the camp. I was to present the New Rules for 2024-2025. I was talking about the new flopping rules with the definition. I gave this presentation multiple times on Friday and this was Saturday. I gave the first presentation of the day and one of the clinicians who happened to be in the room, looked up the signal chart for the NF. Lo and behold, there is a signal for the new flopping rule. When did this happen? I was shocked. I was telling the groups there was no signal yet, but one might be added. Did anyone announce this or is this just something just put in the rulebook on a secret meeting? LOL!!!!

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BillyMac

JRutledge wrote

Thanks JRutledge.

I wonder if IAABO will add it to their signal chart?

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Thanks JRutledge.

I wonder if IAABO will add it to their signal chart?

And if they don't, what does that mean? I am asking for a reason BTW. 😀

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BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
And if they don't, what does that mean?

Double secret probation if one dares to use such an unauthorized signal in a game.

Stat-Man

I was curious what the signal would look like, and it appears they copied the NCAA-M two-handed signal instead of FIBA's one-handed one.

Do we know what the protocol will be to report the initial flop warning? Do we stop play right away, or do we wait to report it at the next dead ball?

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
... some people do not even understand how you even adjudicate this current rule yet for some real situations. People are now debating when you stop the game.

Stat-Man wrote
Do we know what the protocol will be to report the initial flop warning? Do we stop play right away, or do we wait to report it at the next dead ball?

ilyazhito wrote
In women's college games, play is stopped "at the next stoppage of the game clock" to report the warning (4-14.2). The technical foul for a second or subsequent offense is called as usual for any other technical foul. NFHS can follow the women's college protocol, or they might choose to follow the old men's protocol of stopping the game immediately after the play the flop happened on ends. We will have to wait until the new rulebook is officially published to find out.

We''ll have to wait and see.

JRutledge

Stat-Man wrote
I was curious what the signal would look like, and it appears they copied the NCAA-M two-handed signal instead of FIBA's one-handed one.

Do we know what the protocol will be to report the initial flop warning? Do we stop play right away, or do we wait to report it at the next dead ball?

No, we do not, at least from the NF point of view. I live in a state that has a procedure that I think is totally stupid (and I will tell them how stupid) to wait for a dead ball. That is not the NCAA procedure, but some never officiate and try to come up with things that make no sense.

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JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Double secret probation if one dares to use such an unauthorized signal in a game.

I am under the impression that IAABO does what the NF does when it comes to mechanics and signals.

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BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
I am under the impression that IAABO does what the NF does when it comes to mechanics and signals.

Similar, but not exactly the same.

IAABO came up with its own mechanics manual and signals back in 2004-05.

Two years ago IAABO came up with its own Rules "Guide" (not Rules "Book") and "Play" Book (not "Case" Book).

However, the IAABO "Handbook" does contain the caveat, "Officials are encouraged to use this book in conjunction with the current editions of the NFHS Rules Book and Case Book".

bucky

What is felt is wrong about waiting until the next dead ball? Similar to a delayed technical foul, stopping play immediately might hinder a team. What have officials here seen that was negative in waiting?

bob jenkins

bucky wrote
What is felt is wrong about waiting until the next dead ball? Similar to a delayed technical foul, stopping play immediately might hinder a team. What have officials here seen that was negative in waiting?

That's the NCAAW rule and it works well. Even the T for the second occurrence can be delayed in certain circumstances.

However, it's pointless to speculate on what might happen and specifically how it will be enforced in FED until the actual rule comes out.

JRutledge

bucky wrote
What is felt is wrong about waiting until the next dead ball? Similar to a delayed technical foul, stopping play immediately might hinder a team. What have officials here seen that was negative in waiting?

I think that is a specific state that does that, not the general NF. And that state is doing that for a dumb reason and clearly has no one that officiates that actually is making this decision.

That is all I will say for now.

But the the rest of the basketball world waits until the next opportunity to stop play. That means relatively immediately for an offensive player that flops. And let the play finish or penalize after the offense has had a chance to score.

Peace