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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Ed Hickland
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Ed Hickland
I would rule B11 as a replaced player creating a player vacancy once B11 crossed the sideline. A replaced player cannot become a substitute durng the same dead ball period.
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I have to disagree with you, Ed. Where does it say a player becomes a replaced player when he creates a vacancy? A replaced player is one who has been notified by a substitute that he is to leave the field. A player is also replaced when the entering substitute becomes a player. I don't think the rules back you up.
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A player is one of the 11 on a team. Rule 3-7-4 states...During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends.
By implication, when a player withdraws he creates a player vacancy. That vacancy can only be filled by a substitute and according to 3-7-4 the now replaced player cannot become a substitute unless one of the caveats occurs.
Also, the only way to create a player vacancy is by the withdrawl of a player.
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In your orignal statement, you said that this player becomes a replaced player when he creates a vacancy. That's not true. Nothing in 2-30-12 states that.
If a player was never substituted for, then he never became a replaced player. If he was never replaced, he never became a subsitute.
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My ruling is an interpretation of the rules. The logic is quite circular. A player must be on the field. If a player leaves or withdraws during a dead ball interval, he cannot return. He also cannot be a player since he is not on the field, nor can he be a substitute since he is forbidden, by rule. His status for the entire dead ball interval is replaced player. It will change once the down occurs or any of the caveats in 3-7-4 occurs from replaced player to substitute. Then he can re-enter.
If a player withdraws, that is, leaves the field, and returns, he is then subject to illegal participation (9-6-4c) for pretending to be a substitute.