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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Sure, lots of chances to call a foul here, but none were called. I'm just referring to the contact that caused her head to snap back.
Yes, the rulebbok doesn't specifically (head and neck) call for an intentional foul here (unless one deems it excessive contact), but there was a Point of Emphasis in 2012-13 that told us specifically what to do with moving elbows causing contact above the shoulders.
Did they only want these "guidelines" enforced for that one year? I doubt it.
Does the NFHS still want high school officials to enforce these "guidelines"? Not sure, but leaning yes.
How long did they expect these "guidelines" to be enforced? Two years? Five years? More? Probably until there's a new relevant or pertinent rule, or a new relevant or pertinent interpretation, or a new relevant or pertinent Point of Emphasis.
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Again if you wanted the rules to stay, then use it in all your rulebooks and casebook. And it would help if you gave examples like in this year when that would apply to help take away ambiguousness. They did not do that so we have people like yourself still talking about the POE over 8 years ago, but did not mention the language in the POE about intentional fouls this year.
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Have any relevant or pertinent rules changed over the years to make these "guidelines" null and void? I don't believe so.
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It was not a rules change. It was a point of emphasis that did not cover the actual language of the rule (kind of like what they did in the past with other POEs). So if POEs are to stand as law like a court case, then put those somewhere we can reference them. There are interpretations in the S&I books that sometimes do not match other places, but at least we can point to those interpretations.
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Has the NFHS decided that it no longer wants (or needs) to reduce concussions and decrease excessive contact above the shoulder situations? I doubt it.
Stupid NFHS.
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All I know is every level of sports has modified their rules to allow for either judgment or even extra consideration to judgment as to when or if at all contact of a certain kind is considered illegal. They did so in football at the NF level. They even told us in football when you have "incidental" or contact that is not to be ruled illegal with the head and neck area. The NCAA create an entire rule to deal with not penalizing all contact with the head and neck area if certain actions are met. So I have no idea what the NF intends, but it is silly to put something in a POE and never mention it again. Have you seen it mentioned in Referee Magazine? Have you seen it mentioned in the IAABO "You Make the Call" videos (I have every one of those copies they have made) in the last several years? I have not heard anyone suggests that all contact with the head and neck area is special or needs to be something called at more than a common foul, but people on sites like this tell us what should be intended but the rules committee meets multiple times a year. They even have a whole website that could address these things as well as an online magazine to address these things. But to this day, nothing.
You can consider whatever you wish in the video, but this looks like a normal ward off as I suggested, and just call the team control foul and move on. I would love more direction, but they have not given any. So here we are, just a couple of random people in the bigger picture debating something that could be resolved by the people in the actual positions of influence. Even if you tell me what it should be, no one in my state or associations are going to give a damn. That is the problem with his discussion. I cannot say, "Billy Mac on the Officiating discussion board said this should be an intentional foul....." I would get "Who???"
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