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Old Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:44pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
I saw a play in the Green Bay-Minnesota game tonight that as a non-football official I do not understand.

B24 turns the corner on a sweep to the left and turns up field. B24 is running upright when W29 lowers his shoulder in order to tackle B24 by legally hitting B24 with his shoulder in the middle of B24's chest below B24's shoulders. Just before contact B24 lowers his head and make helmet to helmet contact with W29 with the crown of his helmet. W29 went down and eventually had to be helped to his feet and off the field.

From all of the NFHS, NCAA, NFL, and CFL games that I have watched this season, almost 100% of the time, if the Defensive Player had done this had this there would have been a penalty against the Defensive Player.

Question: Can the Offensive Player be flagged for doing the same thing?

Thanks for your answers in advance.

MTD, Sr.
I can't speak to the NFHS, CFL or NFL rule, but I recall the news releases about the changes to the targeting rule a couple years ago for NCAA football. They made it clear that a runner lower his head to initiate contact with a defender was supposed to be called. In the time since this change was made I have seen ZERO calls for targeting against an offensive player, but a lot of terrible calls against defensive players for targeting.

The following is from the NCAA Rulebook regarding targeting.

"Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I) Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier..
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession
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• A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feetfirst."


I would argue that the indicator needed for targeting is what is changed to red above.

Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

This is a rule approved indicator of targeting and to often, is allowed by officials. I think there is a big problem with this rule's enforcement.

I will add that I did see two correct uses of the targeting rules over the past weekend.

First, In the Michigan-OSU game, I think the replay official absolutely should have stopped play and reviewed the hit on Gentry for targeting, which I believe they did as he was being helped off the field. I think it was absolutely the correct call to not penalize the defender for targeting (And this is coming from a Michigan fan).

The second was in the LSU-A&M game where targeting was called during the OT and was upheld.

I do have a problem with the ejection and suspension part of the rule however. I think there needs to be two classifications of targeting. One in which targeting is called by the player is not disqualified from the game and a second in which the contact is ruled flagrant and the player is disqualified from the game. I would add that if a player is disqualified for targeting as a flagrant act, they should be suspended from the next full game, not sometimes a half depending on when the foul occurs.
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