(Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, 1989)
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
The dribble starts by deliberately pushing/throwing the ball to the floor. That is the control...the deliberate throw/push, not the next action. Nothing about the definition of a dribble requires anything else to happen.
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
... but that doesn't change the fact that the dribble actually began on the release.
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Once it is started, it is a dribble and all of the relevant dribble restrictions apply. The ball does not, by rule, have to be touched again for it to be a dribble.
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4.15.1 SITUATION C: A1 attempts a pass to A2 during pressing action in A’s backcourt. The ball hits B’s backboard and deflects directly back to A1 who catches the ball and starts a dribble. RULING: The pass against B’s backboard was the start of a dribble which ended when A1 caught the ball. It is a violation for a second dribble. (4-4-5; 9-5)
It's the holy grail, a citation that explicitly tells us that it only takes the start of a dribble to be a dribble.
The casebook play doesn't say anything about the ball hitting the floor, or being touched a second time. Nothing. It just says that A1 "
starts a dribble".
I would still wait to be sure that this isn't a legal "bounce" pass, so a second touch would seal the deal for me, but by the book, the second touch isn't necessary.
Nice job Camron Rust. Way to stick to your guns. Nice debate. I learned something. Thanks for your persistence and your patience.
Play A: A1 ends his dribble, intentionally throws the ball in the air, runs several feet, and catches the ball that hasn't touched the floor.
Ruling: Violation for illegal (double) dribble.