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When there are no lines, the box still exists and the batter's feet must be in it.
Just to close the loop, the violation for being out of the box on bat contact with the ball is touching the ground completely outside the box or at least partially on the plate. It doesn't matter if the ball is batted fair or foul.
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Officiating takes more than OJT.
It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
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