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As noted, HTBT, but the team violating the rule should not get the benefit of any doubt.
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Honestly, this exact scenario has always felt like a hole in the rules. At the moment the throw is made on the retired runner, there is no play available... thus no interference. But the poor throw CREATED a play, and created an advantage unintended by the rules. I've come across this exact scenario three times. Once when I was relatively new, and the more experienced PU killed the play immediately and we discussed in post game. Once when I was the experienced guy - and I killed the play ... and discussed post-game. And once when I was UIC at a tourney - the younger guys let play continue and no one protested so it didn't come to me... until the post game. Seems this could clearly be written into the rules or at least be given a case play.
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I can see how, at the moment I called "Out" (at 1B), all attention then went to throwing the ball home (with the associated screaming and yelling), so it's POSSIBLE the BR didn't hear that she was out.
If that's not the case, then the point of her continuing to 2B was SOLELY to interfere. It wasn't a bang-bang at 1B, my call was audible, so I didn't feel it was a "gotcha" call at 2B... Still, the reason I was questioning myself (and posting here) was the fact that R1 didn't break for home on the throw. If she did, I'd've had no doubt. Thanks for your debate, as always. Last edited by jmkupka; Wed Oct 08, 2014 at 10:54am. |
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I'm not a big fan of the "anything not covered by the rules" rule.... but this one seems like one of those cases.
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Are you killing it for the dead ball interference call in the OP or some other reason?
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OC: Why are you killing the play & preventing my runner on 3rd from advancing?
BU: Your retired runner was continuing to run, and drew the throw. Knowledgable DC, overhearing the conversation: That's in black and white in the book, Blue! R1 should be out then! |
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(Please note that the operative word in the rule that covers a retired runner drawing a throw is "COULD BE", and not IS.)
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But then a non-retired runner who runs to second to draw a throw that isn't interference isn't covered in the rules either, but we wouldn't kill it then. |
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And this is key. The rule says it could be, not that it is INT. It is only INT if the umpire says it is INT
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