last to touch - first to touch
At a high school camp with NFHS rules.
A1 has control of the ball in the frontcourt. B1 knocks the ball loose. A2 knocks the ball so B1 can't grab it, then chases it down in back court. I whistle back court violation. First one I have ever called on the "last to touch - first to touch" rule. Coach yells at me. At next time out, D2 evaluator tells me I messed up because team control ended on B1's tap. I say "yes sir" to the evaluator and smile. 4-12-3 says team control continues until opponent secures control. 9-9-1 says this is backcourt violation What good is being right if nobody knows? :) Or, did I kick this call and I am still clueless? |
Tell the D2 evaluator to go back to working driveway basketball. Under NF rules, team control ends when there is a shot, a dead ball or the other team gains control. Team B would have only gained team control if one of their players gained player control. Player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. B1 did neither, so no player control, therefore no team control for team B, therefore no loss of team control for team A.
You are not the clueless one here. You did not kick it. Of course, if B1 would have kicked it, it's a dead ball. ;) |
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other suggestions that were great advice. I'm guessing the college rule is different as well. In this case, I blame the rule. A rule is not very effective when 99% of coaches and players don't know or understand it. This rule falls in that category. But this an old topic on this forum. I shouldn't incite anything.:D |
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This D2 guy must be one of those officials with great "presence" to offset his lack of rules knowledge. Quote:
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Never Say "Yes Sir, But ..."
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Especially on a rule that's the same at both levels the evaluator works :eek: Believe it or not, I had a buddy tell me of a situation where the clinicians told a camper, for a player to establish themselves on the court they needed two feet inbounds... isn't that ruling the same in all 3 codes :rolleyes: Quote:
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Secondly - was this a local HS camp (local to you)? If so, do you know this clinician or have any kind of way to contact him? If so, maybe contact him and ask the question - pose it as I really want to learn type of question. Chances are he will give a big "oops" you were right. After all, he's only human and we all make mistakes. But kudos on handling it the way you did. |
I would like to think i'd have handled it the same, but don't know. Having a rule book in my bag would have made it difficult to let that one go.
"Show me." |
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I detest @ss-kissing, and I see no valid reason why someone in a position of power or supervisory role should be agreed with when one KNOWS that such a person is dead wrong. While acting in this way may allow the individual official to advance, this is exactly the kind of stuff that prevents officiating in general from advancing. This isn't the military. |
By the time I posted here, I had checked the rule book and knew the answer
and knew I was right. Standing in front of the evaluator, I wasn't so sure. I think the best advice to a young official is not to argue with an evaluator. Most of the time the more senior official is right, and you lose valuable mentoring time with your nose in the rule book. Not to mention you may hurt your career. I am only a second year official, but early on I decided never to trust anyone on a rule interpretation. I always look it up myself to confirm later. The rule book is the only ultimate authority (except for this forum of course :)). |
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No, it's not the military; it's politics. |
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You may make your point and prove the evaluator wrong. He gets pi$$ed, the camper gets dinged or worse. And yet you see this as a potential advancement of officiating? This would be a case of winning a battle and blowing yourself up in the process. I couldn't disagree more. |
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