Cleaning up Throw In Violations

[Ref Daddy]

Asking to keep this simple. I've referenced the books and association coordinators

Sit: Throw in Violations

1) If a defender reach's or steps over the line - one warning per team. Next is a T.

2) If a defender reach's over (into OOB territory) and strikes the ball in throwers possession, its an immediate T - no warning (Delay of Game book says)

3) If defender reach's over and strikes PLAYER preparing for a throw in, it's a **WHAT**?

4) If defender stikes hand of thrower while thrower places ball over the line and onto the court, its a common foul.

RSVP

[Kelvin green]

on #3 what do you mean by preparing to throw ball in.

If player has ball then the foul is an intentional. If player does not have ball it is a T

#4 If he hits hand and hand is on ball as thrower is reaching through the plane I have nothing.

[Redhouse]

I am far from the professional, but I will provide my answers.

1. you are correct, Team warning, notify the coach and mark it in the bok, next is a T.

2. auto T, you are correct

3. I would have to say this is a personal foul, since the ball is live.
4. I would have to see this, but I would think this is nothing since the hand is part of the ball while the player is holding the ball and the thrower has extended the ball over the plane it is far game.

I am sure the pros will come in and clean up whatever I missed.

[Ref Daddy]

edits in CAPITALS:

Asking to keep this simple. I've referenced the books and association coordinators

Sit: Throw in Violations

1) If a defender reach's or steps over the line - one warning per team. Next is a T.

2) If a defender reach's over (into OOB territory) and strikes JUST THE the ball in throwers possession, its an immediate T - no warning (Delay of Game book says)

3) If defender reach's over and FOULS PLAYER ATTEMPTING a throw in, it's a **WHAT**?

4) If defender FOULS thrower while thrower places ball over the line and onto the court, its a common foul.

RSVP

[TimTaylor]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

edits in CAPITALS:

Asking to keep this simple. I've referenced the books and association coordinators

Sit: Throw in Violations

1) If a defender reach's or steps over the line - one warning per team. Next is a T.

2) If a defender reach's over (into OOB territory) and strikes JUST THE the ball in throwers possession, its an immediate T - no warning (Delay of Game book says)

3) If defender reach's over and FOULS PLAYER ATTEMPTING a throw in, it's a **WHAT**?

4) If defender FOULS thrower while thrower places ball over the line and onto the court, its a common foul.

RSVP

Sit. 3 is an intentional foul by rule - see item 4 in the penalty section at the end of 9-2.

[nine01c]

Also, number 2 is a T, but it also serves as a warning should any player on that team later reach over (thus another T, not a warning).

[zebraman]

Several times I've seen young officials give a "T" to the same player for a second plane violation occurrence right after giving them a warning for the first plane violation.

Correct by rule, but very preventable in my opinion. Young officials often fail to warn the player of the consequences of reaching over that plane again. After they do it the first time, put the fear of God into them of what's going to happen if they do it again.

Z

[Ref in PA]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

edits in CAPITALS:

Asking to keep this simple. I've referenced the books and association coordinators

Sit: Throw in Violations

1) If a defender reach's or steps over the line - one warning per team. Next is a T.

2) If a defender reach's over (into OOB territory) and strikes JUST THE the ball in throwers possession, its an immediate T - no warning (Delay of Game book says)

3) If defender reach's over and FOULS PLAYER ATTEMPTING a throw in, it's a **WHAT**?

4) If defender FOULS thrower while thrower places ball over the line and onto the court, its a common foul.

RSVP

1) Warning and possibly a T even on first offense. 9-2-11 and penalty section; 10.1.10; 10.3.11 Sitch B
2) T. 9-2 Penalty section #3; 10.3.11 sitch A (b)
3) Intentional foul. 9-2 Penalty section #4; 10.3.11.sitch A (a)
4) I think this is the same as 3. A player is oob until he has come in-bounds. To say that the foul occurred on the in-bounds side of the plane is false because the thrower is still oob. The foul is on an oob player and therefore intentional. Incidently, the thrower would have to reach pretty far through the boundary to have a foul occur on the in-bounds side of the boundary.

[Mark Dexter]

As further clarification (I don't think anyone's mentioned this), situation #1 results in a TEAM technical foul for delay of game (10-1-10), while situation #2 is a PLAYER technical foul (10-3-11).

[lucky1313]

In situation number 2 wouldn't it be team warning for breaking the plane before he actually touched the ball?

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

edits in CAPITALS:

Asking to keep this simple. I've referenced the books and association coordinators

Sit: Throw in Violations

1) If a defender reach's or steps over the line - one warning per team. Next is a T.

If there is no ball or player contact and the ball is inbounded, nothing. If touched, warning.

2) If a defender reach's over (into OOB territory) and strikes JUST THE the ball in throwers possession, its an immediate T - no warning (Delay of Game book says)

Yes.

3) If defender reach's over and FOULS PLAYER ATTEMPTING a throw in, it's a **WHAT**?

Intentional Foul.

4) If defender FOULS thrower while thrower places ball over the line and onto the court, its a common foul.

Yes.

RSVP

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by thumpferee

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Two years and still a rookie at this!

[bob jenkins]

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