newbie sub procedure

chartrusepengui

Some advice I was given is that as R2 position yourself on the opposite side of the scorekeeper from the subs, very near the table. Then report them as you record them. This speeds the process and allows you to keep them in your field of vision while easily getting confirmation from the scorekeeper that she has them recorded. Seems to work pretty well.

When I started - a senior official told me to stand on the attack line facing the net. This position forces the subs into the proper substitution zone - sort of preventive officiating. Also makes it easier to keep track of subs reporting together. In addition, you are facing the table. I think this is the same position as quoted above - just clarifying.

Scrapper1

chartrusepengui wrote
When I started - a senior official told me to stand on the attack line facing the net. This position forces the subs into the proper substitution zone - sort of preventive officiating. Also makes it easier to keep track of subs reporting together. In addition, you are facing the table. I think this is the same position as quoted above - just clarifying.

I like this. Thanks for the tip.

Andy

chartrusepengui wrote
When I started - a senior official told me to stand on the attack line facing the net. This position forces the subs into the proper substitution zone - sort of preventive officiating. Also makes it easier to keep track of subs reporting together. In addition, you are facing the table. I think this is the same position as quoted above - just clarifying.

If I'm remembering correctly, this used to be the required procedure for NFHS (and others?). It was changed a few years back, because some officials were lazy about getting to the attack line and the sub procedure was taking longer than it should have. If you choose to use this technique as R2, just make sure that you are hustling to the attack line and keeping the sub procedure moving.

This thread also reminds me of a really anal (my opinion only) official in my area. He refuses to say the word "for" when reporting subs. His reasoning is that a scorekeeper could get confused and think he is saying the number "four" and make a mistake. He will say " 9 replaces 16" or "sub 9, pause, 16". A bit over the top in my opinion, but if it works for him......

Back In The Saddle

chartrusepengui wrote
I think this is the same position as quoted above - just clarifying.

No, quite a different position, actually. I'm not arguing with your mechanics on this, just clarifying that what I described is very different from what you describe.

Andy wrote
This thread also reminds me of a really anal (my opinion only) official in my area. He refuses to say the word "for" when reporting subs. His reasoning is that a scorekeeper could get confused and think he is saying the number "four" and make a mistake. He will say " 9 replaces 16" or "sub 9, pause, 16". A bit over the top in my opinion, but if it works for him......

Not a problem here in Utah. We Utards say "for" when we mean the number 4, and "fer" when normal people would say "for". Very easy to differentiate 😉

Back In The Saddle

FMadera wrote
1 slight edit...

If you're going to use a card/wheel to record subs, DO NOT keep the subs in the sub zone while you're writing. Once you know what the sub is...*get the players moving!*

There is no reason to keep the players there waiting just because you're writing. They should be moving into position ready to play, ready once you're done writing.

I will make this change to how I handle subs. Thanks!

FMadera

Andy wrote
This thread also reminds me of a really anal (my opinion only) official in my area. He refuses to say the word "for" when reporting subs. His reasoning is that a scorekeeper could get confused and think he is saying the number "four" and make a mistake. He will say " 9 replaces 16" or "sub 9, pause, 16". A bit over the top in my opinion, but if it works for him......

For what it's worth, both of his techniques are ones that I've heard USAV National Rating Team members recommend that R2's do.

I do the one with the pause. Never had a problem with it. If I say "for ten," I used to have people think I was saying "fourteen." No such problems since I switched.

As always, your mileage may vary.

outathm

In my match today I thought about the 'for' thing every time I gave a sub to the scorekeeper. Thankfully I had a teacher as a scorekeeper and not a student. I also had the team with 6 players on one side. Very easy to do my scan of the benches for changes and TO's when I really only have to look to one side.

Scrapper1

outathm wrote
In my match today I thought about the 'for' thing every time I gave a sub to the scorekeeper.

Me, too. I went with "replaces". I liked it.

MCBear

chartrusepengui wrote
When I started - a senior official told me to stand on the attack line facing the net. This position forces the subs into the proper substitution zone - sort of preventive officiating. Also makes it easier to keep track of subs reporting together. In addition, you are facing the table. I think this is the same position as quoted above - just clarifying.

chartreusepenguin, please do not use this procedure. It was changed several years ago so that the R2 remains back away from the court so the he/she can see if the other team also wants a sub.

Two years ago when I was going for my Junior National Referee rating, a junior scorekeeper at JO's in Atlanta gave me the technique of not using the work "for" since it sounds the same as "four". Since that time, I say "On the right, 14 in, 9 out."; "On the left, 3 in, 21 out." Scorekeepers seem to appreciate the clarity.

Back In The Saddle

I've also started using "replaces" instead of "for" since this discussion. But the larger problem, I find, is making sure I have the scorekeeper's attention. Inevitably the friend I asked to leave the score table 2 minutes ago comes back during play. If for this reason alone, it's MUCH more useful to be back at the table rather than out on the sideline.

As for the friend, it's a shame there are always so many witnesses. 😉

Retrozetti

Back In The Saddle wrote
I've also started using "replaces" instead of "for" since this discussion.

As a note of caution... "replaces" might not be the best choice of words simply because you're now talking (technically) about a Libero action. As you already know, a substitution "subs" and a Libero "replaces." As an R2, I fly those subs in and out to maintain the momentum of the match, and then I'll turn back to my SK and give them the numbers (this is all talked about in my pre-match with the SK). I would be slightly concerned that my score keeper might not record the sub if they hear me say "replace," especially if the SK has several things going on i.e. LOR & multiple subs on both sides.

I've been using "for" as well, I'll try the pause... but Felix, what other suggestions do you have? Did you say there are 2 recommended options? I might as well get used to a good habit right away. By the way, congrats on getting your National ranking.

MCBear

Since we use the term "replaces" for the libero, that is why I use the "# in, # out" terminology. I ask my SK whether they want me to give them the player going in first or the player coming out first. Sometimes it is faster for the SK to find the player going out first and then enter the number of the player going in. However they want the information is how I will give it to them.