Illegal Libero Replacement

[BigToe]

I understand the libero replacement procedure. My question is at the Level 2 volleyball clinic I attended last week, the clinician said that the first infaction is a delay of game and the second infaction is point/side out regardless if that team still had a second time out left. I can't find this anywhere in the rule or case book.

Can someone help me out here? This this a correct ruling or is it still a delay of game for the second infraction of an illegal libero replacement if a time out is still avialable?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BigToe

I understand the libero replacement procedure. My question is at the Level 2 volleyball clinic I attended last week, the clinician said that the first infaction is a delay of game and the second infaction is point/side out regardless if that team still had a second time out left.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm going with NCAA 12.2.1.2:

"An incorrect libero replacement is sanctioned with a team delay if the officials identify the situation before the next service contact. If identified after service contact, a position fault results."

Does that help?

[BigToe]

In NHFS, delay is also called if you notice the illegal replacement of a libero. My question is if you notice this illegal action a second time in a match, is it still a delay call or is it an automatic side out/point as my clinician said?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BigToe

In NHFS, delay is also called if you notice the illegal replacement of a libero. My question is if you notice this illegal action a second time in a match, is it still a delay call or is it an automatic side out/point as my clinician said?

NCAA 6.3.3.2:

"A team delay is sanctioned with a warning (team yellow card) on the first occasion and a penalty (team red card -- loss of rally) on any subsequent occasion during the same game, regardless of the reason."

It sounds to me like your clinician is correct.

[FMadera]

Scrapper,

Please don't confuse NFHS rules and NCAA rules. The post asked about NFHS rulings in this situation. NFHS has mandated that the penalty is unnecessary delay. Not a "first time this way, second time this other way" thing, but unnecessary delay every time.

[MCBear]

Scrapper, you do an excellent job of posting using NCAA rules. Please, however, do not respond to NFHS (High School) rules questions using NCAA rules citations. They DO NOT apply - as example, your post referencing Team Delay Warning and Team Delay Penalty. High School (NFHS) rules do NOT use Team Delay Warnings or Team Delay Penalties. Delays in NFHS are Unnecessary Delays and sanctioned with a Time-out if the team has one available and a loss of rally if the team has used both of their alloted time-outs prior to the Unnecessary Delay.

Big Toe, I have never heard the interpretation from any HS rules interpreter that you posted concerning the first illegal replacement is an Unnecessary Delay while the second one is loss of rally/point (please do not use the term side-out as that is no longer a term used in officiating volleyball).

As Felix posted, illegal libero replacement penalty is penalized with Unnecessary delay OR Illegal Alignment if it occurs when the arm is out for beckon or the whistle and beckon for service have occurred.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by FMadera

The post asked about NFHS rulings in this situation.

No offense, but it didn't. I only use NCAA rules, so that's I all I have to go by. Sorry for any confusion. (And in my own defense, I clearly stated I was using NCAA rules in my citation, so hopefully that mitigated any confusion.)