The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Volleyball (https://forum.officiating.com/volleyball/)
-   -   taped jewelry (https://forum.officiating.com/volleyball/106292-taped-jewelry.html)

bbman Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:31pm

taped jewelry
 
Can players wear jewelry if it's completely taped and not visible?
ie watch, bracelets.

IK13 Mon Oct 14, 2024 02:52am

HS and NCAA women - by the book - no.
The ref however cannot legally ask for the tape to be taken off to inspect.
As far as I’m concerned - for HS it’s enough for the coach to confirm that the players are compliant with the jewelry rule. NCAA - I don’t ask.

bob jenkins Mon Oct 14, 2024 06:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IK13 (Post 1052950)
HS and NCAA women - by the book - no.
The ref however cannot legally ask for the tape to be taken off to inspect.
As far as I’m concerned - for HS it’s enough for the coach to confirm that the players are compliant with the jewelry rule. NCAA - I don’t ask.

Studs and posts (and in NCAAW, snug cuffs) can be worn above the chin. No hoops, dangles, bars and nothing below the chin. No jewelry can be taped over and the tape (and jewelry below the chin) should be removed.

Note that medical alert medallions and religious medals are not jewelry and have separate rules.

IK13 Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by [I
[/I]bob jenkins;1052953]
Studs and posts (and in NCAAW, snug cuffs) can be worn above the chin. No hoops, dangles, bars and nothing below the chin. No jewelry can be taped over and the tape (and jewelry below the chin) should be removed.

Note that medical alert medallions and religious medals are not jewelry and have separate rules.

Loops are allowed in NCAA, provided they are tight, which by itself is a lose (pun intended) definition, so the clarification was it should touch skin all around. “Bars”? Isn’t that what “studs” and “posts” are?
Then in the last bulletin Ryan MacDowell asked that we take it easy and only interfere if something is in our face.

How do you go about enforcing the “should be removed” part on suspected taped over jewelry?

FMadera Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IK13 (Post 1052954)
Loops are allowed in NCAA, provided they are tight, which by itself is a lose (pun intended) definition, so the clarification was it should touch skin all around. “Bars”? Isn’t that what “studs” and “posts” are?
Then in the last bulletin Ryan MacDowell asked that we take it easy and only interfere if something is in our face.

How do you go about enforcing the “should be removed” part on suspected taped over jewelry?

"Just a reminder, if you're taping over something illegal, that's not allowed." Then leave it at that, and if you see it later, we're pulling out a card. And not a delay.

bob jenkins Mon Oct 14, 2024 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IK13 (Post 1052954)
Loops are allowed in NCAA, provided they are tight, which by itself is a lose (pun intended) definition, so the clarification was it should touch skin all around. “Bars”? Isn’t that what “studs” and “posts” are?
Then in the last bulletin Ryan MacDowell asked that we take it easy and only interfere if something is in our face.

How do you go about enforcing the “should be removed” part on suspected taped over jewelry?

Bars (Illegal): https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Ea.../dp/B0CHRB3M6D

Cuffs (what you refer to as loos, I think) (Top 2 LEGAL; bottom ILLEGAL because of the chain): https://www.google.com/imgres?q=cuff...00&hcb=2&itg=1

IK13 Tue Oct 15, 2024 03:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by FMadera (Post 1052955)
"Just a reminder, if you're taping over something illegal, that's not allowed." Then leave it at that, and if you see it later, we're pulling out a card. And not a delay.

So we will actually let them play with the taped over jewelry.

That’s my point - to enforce the rule, one has to actually see the jewelry underneath it. Which can only happen if the player happens to take off the tape in front of the ref (and the ref notices).
Rules without ways of enforcement are useless imo.

FMadera Tue Oct 15, 2024 07:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IK13 (Post 1052959)
So we will actually let them play with the taped over jewelry.

That’s my point - to enforce the rule, one has to actually see the jewelry underneath it. Which can only happen if the player happens to take off the tape in front of the ref (and the ref notices).
Rules without ways of enforcement are useless imo.

Not if we know about it. We can't merely just punish for the suspicion. It is what it is sometimes.

bob jenkins Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:43am

In NCAAW Basketball, we are supposed to have them take the tape off (the only tape that's allowed is to tape back the earlobe when someone has a large empty hole where a gauge earring would normally be worn).

In VB -- I just ask what is being worn under the tape. Yes, someone could lie. So far, they've just taken the tape off and removed the jewelry.

Scrapper1 Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IK13 (Post 1052950)
The ref however cannot legally ask for the tape to be taken off to inspect. .

"Legally"? Why not? NCAA specifies that tape can't be worn.

FMadera Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1052965)
"Legally"? Why not? NCAA specifies that tape can't be worn.

It can't be worn to cover something illegal. Certainly tape can be worn, and is all the time. Check wrists, fingers, etc...

Scrapper1 Tue Oct 15, 2024 09:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FMadera (Post 1052970)
It can't be worn to cover something illegal. Certainly tape can be worn, and is all the time. Check wrists, fingers, etc...

Of course. I hope it was clear that this is what I meant. But since tape is never used to provide support to an ear, an eyebrow, or a nostril, I don't think it's too unreasonable to ask a player to show me what it's covering.

My post was intended to dispute the idea that officials aren't allowed ("legally") to ask.

IK13 Thu Oct 17, 2024 01:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1052971)
Of course. I hope it was clear that this is what I meant. But since tape is never used to provide support to an ear, an eyebrow, or a nostril, I don't think it's too unreasonable to ask a player to show me what it's covering.

My post was intended to dispute the idea that officials aren't allowed ("legally") to ask.

You can ask what’s under the tape. They might or might not be honest about it. Or might refuse to answer at all.

You cannot insist that they take the tape off so you can check out for yourself.

bob jenkins Thu Oct 17, 2024 08:16am

I think you can use 9.2.2 (emphasis added) and the rule "taping over jewelry is not permitted" to ask to see what's under the tape (or to use any of the other methods mentioned here).

19.2.2 Scope of Authority
The first referee directs the match from his or her arrival at the court until the
end of the match� This includes:
19�2�2�1 Having authority over all team members;
19�2�2�2 Having final authority over all decisions including those not specifically
addressed in the rules;

19�2�2�3 Having authority over other officials and overruling other officials if
certain they made an incorrect decision; and
19�2�2�4 Replacing an official who is not performing functions properly�

FMadera Thu Oct 17, 2024 09:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1052980)
I think you can use 9.2.2 (emphasis added) and the rule "taping over jewelry is not permitted" to ask to see what's under the tape (or to use any of the other methods mentioned here).

19.2.2 Scope of Authority
The first referee directs the match from his or her arrival at the court until the
end of the match� This includes:
19�2�2�1 Having authority over all team members;
19�2�2�2 Having final authority over all decisions including those not specifically
addressed in the rules;

19�2�2�3 Having authority over other officials and overruling other officials if
certain they made an incorrect decision; and
19�2�2�4 Replacing an official who is not performing functions properly�

Sure, you *can.* And then feel free to be uninvited from your assignor's cadre once coaches complain about it...


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:04am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1