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Old Fri Jul 05, 2024, 05:05pm
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I screwed up 5 different ways

I'm just going to tell you what happened and hope that it generates some useful discussion.

I'm R1. Team A player on my right attacked the ball very tight to the net and very close to the antenna right in front of the official's stand. Her momentum takes her into the net and my partner whistled a net fault.

Team A coach states that the player only contacted the net outside the antenna. So she comes to ask if I have an opinion. I said if you made me guess, I would say she was outside the antenna, but I can't be 100% sure that she get part of the net inside the antenna. She says she thinks she made a mistake and we should replay the point.

I ask her if Team B would have been able to play the ball of she hasn't blown her whistle. There was a Team B player at the net, so we decide to go with the replay.

I signal the replay, and she goes to tell Coach B why he's not getting the point. While she's with the coach, the captain for Team B tells me that the line judge signaled an antenna fault.

I am now furious with myself. But I call the LJs over and bring my R2 back to the stand. As quickly as possible, I ask the LJs if either of them is 100% positive or an antenna fault. LJ2 says she's positive.

So I say that we're going to penalize the antenna fault because the whistle actually didn't impact the outcome of the play. We award the point to Team B and Coach A actually took out very well.

I think we got it right, but I hate that I had no idea of LJ's antenna signal and I hate that I didn't think to include the LJs in the initial conversation.

Thoughts, comments, indictments...?
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Old Sat Jul 06, 2024, 07:01am
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No indictments here!

I know that I've done similar actions during a match by getting to caught up in the minutia. Don't beat yourself up about this. Learn and move on. My only comment would be - don't forget to use your LJ's! They had the best view of the play.
Now, I'm psyched. I begin my VB season with some high school summer league play on Monday, but without a R2 or any LJ's.
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Old Mon Jul 08, 2024, 11:04am
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I'm just going to tell you what happened and hope that it generates some useful discussion.

I'm R1. Team A player on my right attacked the ball very tight to the net and very close to the antenna right in front of the official's stand. Her momentum takes her into the net and my partner whistled a net fault.

Team A coach states that the player only contacted the net outside the antenna. So she comes to ask if I have an opinion. I said if you made me guess, I would say she was outside the antenna, but I can't be 100% sure that she get part of the net inside the antenna. She says she thinks she made a mistake and we should replay the point.

I ask her if Team B would have been able to play the ball of she hasn't blown her whistle. There was a Team B player at the net, so we decide to go with the replay.

I signal the replay, and she goes to tell Coach B why he's not getting the point. While she's with the coach, the captain for Team B tells me that the line judge signaled an antenna fault.

I am now furious with myself. But I call the LJs over and bring my R2 back to the stand. As quickly as possible, I ask the LJs if either of them is 100% positive or an antenna fault. LJ2 says she's positive.

So I say that we're going to penalize the antenna fault because the whistle actually didn't impact the outcome of the play. We award the point to Team B and Coach A actually took out very well.

I think we got it right, but I hate that I had no idea of LJ's antenna signal and I hate that I didn't think to include the LJs in the initial conversation.

Thoughts, comments, indictments...?
I admit, I'm confused by a bunch of this.

Who walked over? R2? Coach? If R2, are you saying she made a call, then came over to ask what you had? If the play is right in front of you, when in doubt, it might have been better to leave that decision to you (definitely should prematch that) or pass on it.

Did you ask the LJ if the ball contacted the antenna, or if the antenna just moved (possibly because of the net contact)? Lots of times LJs will signal antenna fault because it's moving, but the ball didn't actually contact it.

Good lesson here to slow down and take in ALL of your information EVERY time. Happens to all of us.
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Old Mon Jul 08, 2024, 03:53pm
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Felix,

The R2 came to the stand after talking to the coach. So yes, the R2 whistles the fault, then came to ask me if I thought the call was correct.
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