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Crabby_Bob Thu Jun 11, 2015 05:48pm

Careful about umpire assignments. This is a four-umpire crew. See the clip at about 0:22.

chapmaja Thu Jun 11, 2015 08:47pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 963741)
I watched a replay of the entire game yesterday and there was nothing done out of the ordinary by the black team to retaliate for. There were a couple of steal attempts at 2nd where F6 got slid into, but nothing malicious about the slide and F6 was putting her foot in front of the base before she had the ball. Borderline obstruction with the ball getting there just a fraction before the runner.

But, being as it was a replay it was edited and nothing of the 2 knockdowns was ever shown other than just the general play. I have read the umpire did talk to the blue team coach after the black teams coach pitched a fit but none of that was on the replay.

Wow talked to the coach. The conversation should have been "You need to get a new catcher suited up"

azbigdawg Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 963761)
Careful about umpire assignments. This is a four-umpire crew. See the clip at about 0:22.

Which makes missing those plays WORSE, if at all possible...

Rich Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:20am

This catcher already has a college softball scholarship lined up it seems.

If that program had any integrity, she'd be looking for a new place to play about now.

As for the umpiring -- what's the mechanic for 4-man (knowing that no real softball actually does 4-man)? Would U2 chase, U3 cover second, the PU cover third, and U1 cover the plate? That would be the baseball rotation when U2 goes out, but I know nothing about softball, having not umpired a softball game since the late 90s.

Well, I know that's a cheap shot (actually, two) by the catcher.

AtlUmpSteve Fri Jun 12, 2015 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 963810)
This catcher already has a college softball scholarship lined up it seems.

If that program had any integrity, she'd be looking for a new place to play about now.

As for the umpiring -- what's the mechanic for 4-man (knowing that no real softball actually does 4-man)? Would U2 chase, U3 cover second, the PU cover third, and U1 cover the plate? That would be the baseball rotation when U2 goes out, but I know nothing about softball, having not umpired a softball game since the late 90s.

Well, I know that's a cheap shot (actually, two) by the catcher.

To my knowledge, ISF (International) is the only softball organization with current 4 umpire mechanics. In that, U2 chases the "V"; if chased, yes, U3 to 2nd, PU to 3rd, U1 to plate.

Dakota Fri Jun 12, 2015 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 963810)
...If that program had any integrity, she'd be looking for a new place to play about now...

Oh, I dunno... she'd fit right in at UT! (ducks and runs for cover...) :D

Crabby_Bob Fri Jun 12, 2015 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 963815)
Oh, I dunno... she'd fit right in at UT! (ducks and runs for cover...) :D

True words.

CecilOne Fri Jun 12, 2015 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 963729)
... and now spread all over the internet.

Sports talk radio this morning in Phila, discussed negatively about 5 minutes in the "weasel of the week" segment.

chapmaja Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 963761)
Careful about umpire assignments. This is a four-umpire crew. See the clip at about 0:22.

I didn't see that until I slow motioned the video. You are correct. That honestly makes it that much worse that 4 umpires on the field all allowed this completely unsportsmanlike and malicious act to occur.

chapmaja Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 963810)
This catcher already has a college softball scholarship lined up it seems.

If that program had any integrity, she'd be looking for a new place to play about now.

As for the umpiring -- what's the mechanic for 4-man (knowing that no real softball actually does 4-man)? Would U2 chase, U3 cover second, the PU cover third, and U1 cover the plate? That would be the baseball rotation when U2 goes out, but I know nothing about softball, having not umpired a softball game since the late 90s.

Well, I know that's a cheap shot (actually, two) by the catcher.

From what I heard, she is (maybe was) a verbal to Sam Houston St. I can't confirm that as it came from another board. Either way I would be taking a serious look at her and how she fits with the values of my program if I was a coach. Thankfully for the school, as a verbal commitment there is no obligation on either party to follow through. Hopefully this catcher learns a lesson from this and doesn't become another Jayru Campbell.

For those who don't know the Jayru Campbell story. He was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU very early after leading Detroit Cass Tech to a couple state titles. He punched a player for Detroit Catholic Central in the handshake line after the state title game and IIRC was suspended one game or two. He then went on to body slam a security guard at the school who tried getting him to remove his hoody in school. He was arrested and spent several months in jail. When he was released he was immediately reinstated at Cass Tech (in violation of Michigan State Law). On his first day back he got into an altercation with his girl friend and was arrested for domestic violence in the school. MSU pulled his scholarship offer and now he may be headed to the New Mexico Military Institute. Hopefully they can straighten him out. They do have a history of QB success as they also produced a young man by the name of Roger Staubach, who later won a Heisman Trophy at Navy.

IRISHMAFIA Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 963838)
For those who don't know the Jayru Campbell story. He was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU very early after leading Detroit Cass Tech to a couple state titles. He punched a player for Detroit Catholic Central in the handshake line after the state title game and IIRC was suspended one game or two. He then went on to body slam a security guard at the school who tried getting him to remove his hoody in school. He was arrested and spent several months in jail. When he was released he was immediately reinstated at Cass Tech (in violation of Michigan State Law). On his first day back he got into an altercation with his girl friend and was arrested for domestic violence in the school. MSU pulled his scholarship offer and now he may be headed to the New Mexico Military Institute. Hopefully they can straighten him out. They do have a history of QB success as they also produced a young man by the name of Roger Staubach, who later won a Heisman Trophy at Navy.

It took three instances of being a dirt-bag and jail time before MSU decided to pull the offer?

That tells me just as much about MSU's lack of integrity as it does the player's.

chapmaja Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 963840)
It took three instances of being a dirt-bag and jail time before MSU decided to pull the offer?

That tells me just as much about MSU's lack of integrity as it does the player's.

Actually I think the scholarship was pulled after the body slamming incident. The Domestic Violence at the school occurred after the scholarship was pulled, but I'm sure it really turned off a lot of programs who are more dirtbagish than MSU and there are some (I'm a Michigan fan).

outathm Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:44pm

I think it is cute that anyone believes that the American attention span would last long enough that this incident will be remembered in a year when this girl can sign her actual letter of intent.

I is also cute that we, the people involved in the sport, think that there is as much attention paid to our sport as we think there is.

In a year, this girl will be sitting in the third row of athletes behind a table signing her letter with a bunch of , Football, and basketball players in the spot light and no one will even know who she is, let alone what she did in a game on the internet during two plays.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 15, 2015 07:22am

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Originally Posted by outathm (Post 963867)
I think it is cute that anyone believes that the American attention span would last long enough that this incident will be remembered in a year when this girl can sign her actual letter of intent.

It depends. Seeing it now may get her crossed off a list of possible recruits at some schools. OTOH, if someone in the sport was hiding under a rock for the past two weeks and did not see this, it wouldn't matter

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I is also cute that we, the people involved in the sport, think that there is as much attention paid to our sport as we think there is.
Been telling the carrot chasers and "my daughter is going to play in the Olympics group this for years. It is a much smaller world than many of those in the sport realize, however this incident was covered by media outside the sport which certainly doesn't help.

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In a year, this girl will be sitting in the third row of athletes behind a table signing her letter with a bunch of , Football, and basketball players in the spot light and no one will even know who she is, let alone what she did in a game on the internet during two plays.
Well, I doubt that since they don't necessarily share the same dates.

hit4power Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:25pm

This was in the local paper concerning the player:

After a video of her apparently elbowing opponents went viral this week, catcher Megan Crosby has been disciplined by the Needville Independent School District.

Crosby's penalty wasn't specified, but Needville ISD superintendent Curt Rhodes said disciplinary action has been taken against Crosby, who just completed her junior year, for her actions during the Class 4A softball final against Huffman Hargrave. Huffman won the game 6-4.

"This action, which is two isolated incidents, is truly out of her character. We do not support the action, but she is a great young lady,” Rhodes said in a statement. “We strongly support our students and coaches; they are very talented, dedicated people.”

Neither school district has contacted the UIL as far as seeking any sort of punishment. Rhodes did notify the league however, to inform officials of the statement he released.

Rhodes said Crosby has received hate-filled communications and even threats.


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