Batter "Walks" on Ball 3

IRISHMAFIA

AtlUmpSteve wrote
"Coach, I will rule on that, if any ruling is necessary based on what happens as a result; but you need to understand that someone running that isn't legally entitled to COULD be judged as interference."

And when asked for a rule citation? 🙂

wallyb

greetings...would telling the coach that attempting to run to first base on ball 3 could be considered a form of delaying the game and citing rule 5-4 e be effective?

Manny A

wallyb wrote
greetings...would telling the coach that attempting to run to first base on ball 3 could be considered a form of delaying the game and citing rule 5-4 e be effective?

I wouldn't use that, unless you really felt that the batter was purposely delaying the game for something very apparent, like approaching darkness or time limit that would give the offense a distinct advantage.

But I suppose you could use 7-3-D about failing to keep one foot in the box between pitches, and issue the appropriate warnings and strike calls. 😉

RKBUmp

7-3-d has so many exceptions. Was catcher in catchers box, was pitcher in the circle, did the pitch chase the batter out of the box or as in the original post was there a passed ball?

wallyb

Manny A wrote
I wouldn't use that, unless you really felt that the batter was purposely delaying the game for something very apparent, like approaching darkness or time limit that would give the offense a distinct advantage.

But I suppose you could use 7-3-D about failing to keep one foot in the box between pitches, and issue the appropriate warnings and strike calls. 😉

since most games, rec league games excluded, are timed i like the delay approach a little better. any others agree or disagree?

CecilOne

IRISHMAFIA wrote
There is a passed ball which is an exception to 7.3.D

Look up the definition of "play". There was no attempt to retire the runner therefore there is no play with which to interfere.

Of course, I said I was "Stretching to find coverage" 😉, using the Batting rule as the player involved was still a batter. 😉

And, was curious about a response. 🙄

IRISHMAFIA

wallyb wrote
greetings...would telling the coach that attempting to run to first base on ball 3 could be considered a form of delaying the game and citing rule 5-4 e be effective?

Are you prepared to forfeit a game for the purpose of stopping a coach from using a trick play?

The most you can get here is a warning or called strike for the batter leaving the batter's box assuming one of the exception is in effect, which was the case in the OP.

wallyb

well, i see your point. no i wouldnt be prepared to forfeit the game for the purpose of stopping the coach from using a trick play but i would be if i considered the coaches repetetive tacticts unnecessarily delaying the game. what do you think the best response would be if the coach told you that he was going to have every batter run on ball 3?

IRISHMAFIA

wallyb wrote
well, i see your point. no i wouldnt be prepared to forfeit the game for the purpose of stopping the coach from using a trick play but i would be if i considered the coaches repetetive tacticts unnecessarily delaying the game. what do you think the best response would be if the coach told you that he was going to have every batter run on ball 3?

Call the ball game as it unfolds in front of me

wallyb

so would i but what would your response be to a coach who told you that he was going to have every batter run on ball 3?

Rich Ives

wallyb wrote
so would i but what would your response be to a coach who told you that he was going to have every batter run on ball 3?

Stupid coaching. Wouldn't work after the second time (at the latest).

wallyb

Rich Ives wrote
Stupid coaching. Wouldn't work after the second time (at the latest).

im not sure so thats true but thats not the point we are addressing

IRISHMAFIA

wallyb wrote
so would i but what would your response be to a coach who told you that he was going to have every batter run on ball 3?

Same answer

wallyb

ok..and after the 6th or 7th time of using this tactic, accomplishing nothing except delaying the game, would you just continue reminding the batter that is was only ball 3 and please come back to the box or would you take another approach?

Manny A

wallyb wrote
ok..and after the 6th or 7th time of using this tactic, accomplishing nothing except delaying the game, would you just continue reminding the batter that is was only ball 3 and please come back to the box or would you take another approach?

I'm sensing a bit of troll-ism here.

wallyb

no..its not that at all. im just looking for the proper way to handle this situation. if im asking to many questions its because im ignorant of what to do. i came on this site because i have been following it and decided to join in. am i taking the wrong approach?..i know irishmafia knows what he is talking about but his answer of "call the game as it unfolds" doesnt really answer my question of what to do. what i read into his answer, if im getting this right, they can run every batter on ball 3 all they want and we have no grounds or rule basis to stop them because they are doing nothing wrong...is that correct? sorry if im giving the wrong impression

MD Longhorn

wallyb wrote
no..its not that at all. im just looking for the proper way to handle this situation. if im asking to many questions its because im ignorant of what to do. i came on this site because i have been following it and decided to join in. am i taking the wrong approach?..i know irishmafia knows what he is talking about but his answer of "call the game as it unfolds" doesnt really answer my question of what to do. what i read into his answer, if im getting this right, they can run every batter on ball 3 all they want and we have no grounds or rule basis to stop them because they are doing nothing wrong...is that correct? sorry if im giving the wrong impression

But you've been answered 4 times, all the same. And then you reply with a nearly identical situation that has the same answer.

Most of what you just posted is not correct, btw. Go read all of the previous replies, not just Irish.

wallyb

ok..thank you

Manny A

My reference to troll-ism is because you're bringing up scenarios that are too far-fetched to be realistic. Six or seven times? I've never seen anything even remotely close.

By rule, you can call a strike on the batter for leaving the box (assuming the exceptions others have cited from the rule do not take place). If the coach wants to accept those strikes, so be it. If you really wanted to pull out the forfeit card because of the game delays, nobody could argue against it. You might even be able to forfeit since the coach is willfully violating rules. But those should be last resorts.

wallyb

MannyA....thank you very much...now its clear...looking back i see that was what some of the others were trying to explain to me but i just didnt get it for some reason. at times i can be a little thick. thanks for your explanation and for everyones patience. no troll here, just trying to learn a few things

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