2015 ASA Rules & Umpire Manual in PDF
 

Is the rule book available in PDF format anywhere? Not the ones for apps on tablets.......an actual PDF version somewhere! For sale or whatever.

It never has been.

Oh how I wish it was.

Have a few unsanctioned local leagues that insist on using ASA rules. Hard to use ASA rules without anyone being able to get a current rulebook without bribing someone that is an ASA sanctioned participant! And those are few and far between in this area, there was an attempt to get some ASA sanctioned ball down here a few years ago but nothing ever came of it.

Ditto Little League. Summer ball leagues want to play by Little League rules, yet arent sanctioned so they cant get books.

Could that be why?

That is one of the points of sanctioning the league and where I do agree with ASA. You want the product, you pay the price. Don't want to pay the price, you have no right to complain.

I've been trying to get them to go to USSSA or modified NFHS rules but it's not the brightest bunch to deal with.

I am pretty sure that one can buy the ASA Rules directly from ASA without being affiliated with ASA. And, I am pretty sure that you no longer have to be affiliated with Little League anymore to buy both its Baseball or Softball Rules Book.

MTD, Sr.

I used to offer my excess books to folks who were willing to buy them. Face value and the money went into the state umpire's account. Unfortunately, you need to have a commissioner who is willing to round up your need instead of one who likes to try to cut corners and under order hoping some registered umpires will not ask for their book.

Curious! We have a group of seniors who play softball in a Del Webb Sun City community. There governing rules are ASA. They make a few changes cuz they're old but they play under ASA rules predominantly.

That being the case, the community association I think provides insurance for players using a community facility. So no ASA insurance.

Their umpires, while not taking the test and becoming certified by ASA, follow ASA rules and are trained by fellow ASA umpires.

Are we saying that this group "cannot" or "isn't entitled" to purchase ASA rule books? If so, it's seems pretty bizarre.

ASA had a rules app for Iphone and Android but they are no longer available and the rulebook still cant be purchased without being an umpire through the ASA other than through second hand sources.

Did find the LL rulebooks through their website. The local leagues that use those rules and arent sanctioned through LL do carry their own insurance and they pay their umpires.

Don't believe anyone made such a statement. But why is it bizarre for an organization which IS in a business to run that business to support themselves?

While I have no problem selling the rule book, I understand why it is not part of their merchandising. It doesn't promote their organization or help the locals associations with any registrations or games for their registered umpires.

This is one of the reasons registration for the UIC clinic requires a commissioners endorsement. Other alphabet organizations were sending their folks, so ASA was literally training their competition.

So far, you haven't said they were "REGISTERED" with ASA. Pay the registration, you get a rulebook.

Register the teams; they get rulebooks. Register the umpires, they get rulebooks. Don't register, not entitled.

Seems like a pretty simple concept to me.

Ease up on the logic and common sense, old man....

Geez!! I only need the rule book in PDF even with a password locked PDF document that we can put on our website. We're not going to "steal" anything. We don't need the services or goods ASA provides because:
1. We ain't sanctioned in any way, we're a bunch of 65 years plus guys that would like access to ASA rules.
2. We don't need insurance.
3. We don't run ASA tournaments
4. We don't use ASA umpires, we use our own under our own insurance.

Our intent is no to take anything away from ASA. If anything we promote ASA by using their rule-set and advertising such.

What would be the logic to us signing up with ASA when all we need is a copy of their rules for a website.

By the way, the apps ASA is promoting won't post to a website.

You are saying you are not taking anything, but you are whining and pouting that they will not allow you to take their merchandise without paying for it.

Not only that, but you are not advancing or supporting shit other than you own stingy selves.

You don't want to use ASA umpires, but you want their rules and think you are helping ASA? Are you ****ing kidding me?

You really need to step back and look as what you are saying.

I don't believe I used cursing to try and make my point!!!!! :rolleyes: But, I stood back and looked at what I said!!!!!

Oh for crying out loud. I'm not whining or pouting about anything. I'm failing to understand why ASA does what they do with respect to their rule set and publishing it in a digital format. The can lock it, they can make it so it can't be duplicated, they can do anything they want to restrict it cuz we're not going to sell or recopy the thing...we want to LOOK at it. :cool:

Read my orignal post! Did I say in that post I wanted it free? NO! I said, "for sale or whatever". :rolleyes:

As I indicated, we don't need ASA "certified" umpires. They won't come because we don't pay for them, we choose to train our own. We don't have the "budget" to pay for them. Our level of play just doesn't justify "paying" anyone.

We don't need any insurance.
We don't need travel assistance.
nor fundraising services
nor hotels
nor airlines
nor rental cars

What we do need they won't let us have. I just don't see that logic....sorry!!!

We just need a PDF version to post on our website......and we're willing to pay for it?

Promote ASA, you betcha. We put on senior tournaments at our facility and we use the ASA rule set with modifications instead of using SSUSA or our local NCSSA (Norcal Sr. Softball). We reach a lot of senior players promoting ASA. Some of our umpires work ASA events and they even teach/train our in house umpires. We tell our local leagues about our use of ASA and not the other senior softball organizations. We think ASA is a better group which is why we use them.

So, if you viewed this as self serving and denouncing to ASA you are completely off base with respect to what we are about. Thick skin you ain't got. Quick to make judgment calls, you got that down.

Let's try an analogy. You represent a league; I presume your league asks teams to register to play a season of softball. For the sake of this discussion, let's say your league charges $250 for a 10 game season. They have determined that price covers their costs for field rental, field prep, insurance, umpire expenses, whatever.

I have a team that meets all the criteria to play in your league. But my team only wants to play 3 games. And we don't want or need the field dragged and lined, nor do we need to pay for your league insurance, as we all have our own insurance. We'll bring our own umpires, too, so you don't have to protect the umpires, either. We could play in another league, but we want to play in your league, so you should feel honored. We are willing to pay for these 3 games, but we don't want or need your 10 game team registration.

What?? You won't make me a special deal at a special price for my team, just because what I want doesn't fit your business model at all, and leaves everyone else at a disadvantage?? Why?? I said I was willing to pay for 3 games!!

We're gonna beat a dead horse here I think. A PDF version is not out of whack. They are digitizing it by making it available as an app on Apple and Android software.......so why not on computers?

We are a pretty unique duck by softball league standards. We have our own field, not a city or county field. So we don't rent or use lights. Our fees are $70 a year for 20 plus games. Our fields are done by our own guys, for free. We have a facility group that maintains everything except the infield. We pay association dues for use of all facilities in our complex. We have tennis courts, bocce ball courts, pickleball courts as well as swimming pools and gym facilities....so we're very luck in that regard.

We just don't feel it to be prudent to purchase a bunch of hard copy books that'll just get lost or never looked at for our softball community....a better option would be to put a copy on our website......

I'm going to stop now cuz it just doesn't make sense.....and I know ASA is a business and I understand all that.....they want to make money any way they can...uniforms, schools, clinics, etc., etc.

Just a lousy PDF version is all I ask.

Cheap, cheap, cheap
 

Here go put it on your phone, if the seniors have one. And if they're in the iPhone cult they're out of luck.


http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Softball/...es/Mobile-Apps


How about you type up the senior rules that you use and make them available that way? I'm sure if you have a free grounds crew and you're working with seniors, someone will sit around and type up the rules for you. Just be aware that ASA WILL come after you. They take their softball organization very seriously, even if you think it's just a little PDF.

Here's you a 2013 rulebook for $9.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Partici...item4adaf9edf4

Well with all due respect you are asking to use this for free. This totally discounts the fact that ASA has spent time and money developing their playing rules.

Reminds me of kids who want to download all their music for free off of pirate copy sites on the net and can't recognize it as theft.

Not asking for it for FREE guys. What part of "willing to pay for it" don't you understand?

We have our own "exceptions" to ASA on our website. We'd just like to add the ASA rules as well.......

Geez.......

What part of

don't you understand?

Wow........

Duh! I do understand it. I don't agree with it and I'm entitled to have that opinion. WOW, don't you understand?