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Getting hit by a ball is not an act.
This play is NOT the same as a batted ball striking a runner. The rule about that one simply states that if a batted ball strikes a runner (given certain conditions), that runner is out. The D3K rule states that the batter is out if he/she interferes. If they wanted the rulings to be the same, they would have worded it the same. I equivocate the D3K more closely (although still not identical) with a thrown ball. If a runner is contacted by a thrown ball, it's nothing ... unless they interfere (an active, not passive, verb). Batter (or runner) must DO something to prevent a play from being made. Getting hit by a ball is not an ACT of interference. |
The velocity with which it came back from the brick backstop was such that, after ball and BR made contact, it very much impacted F2's ability to field the ball.
My call was, his running into the path of the rebounded ball was an act. Sounds like, some consider this more along the lines of when F6 boots the play, and the ball rebounds into the runner from 2B with no chance to avoid it. |
It might not be the "right" way to judge this, but I mentally approach U3K+INT as the following:
1. Did the BR move in a way judged to intentionally contact the ball? 2a. Before contact, did any defender have an opportunity to make a play on the ball? 2b. Did the BR's contact with the ball apply an impetus to the ball that resulted in interfering with the defense's opportunity to make a play? If the answer to either #1 or #2a AND #2b is "Yes", I have a dead ball and an out. Otherwise, play on. |
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According to the rule, the RS, and the definition of interference, if the BR commits an act which interferes with the defense making a play, it is a dead ball out. That means that even if you think the act was inadvertent and unintentional, if it interferes, the rule applies. You don't get to make excuses for the offense keeping the defense from making a play. |
Intentional does matter. It's not required - not at all... but if you have something intentional, you don't have to have anything else.
If you have nothing intentional, THEN all the other things that are being discussed come into play. |
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To Steve's point, though, I agree we can't make excuses for the offense keeping the defense from making a play. I can only recall a single instance of this occurring where I did not have INT. I should have included rule support for each of my considerations. If I had a current ASA rulebook handy, I would have added the citations in my previous post. |
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Catcher drops strike three which hits the backstop hard and then hits the runner who a) has not had time to move. B) Has taken a couple steps toward first In either case the ball hitting the runner prevents the charging pitcher from easily fielding the ball for an easy putout of the runner Interference in B, the act was moving into the path of the ball, it interfered with a play on the runner No Interference in A, the BR did not commit an act. Is that correct? |
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F. When the batter-runner interferes with: 1. A fielder attempting to field a batted ball. 2. A fielder attempting to throw the ball. 3. A thrown ball while out of the batter’s box. 4. By making contact with a fair batted ball before reaching first base. 5. By discarding their bat in a manner that prevents the defense from making a play on the ball. 6. (Fast Pitch) A dropped third strike. |
"Interferes with" and "gets hit by" are two COMPLETELY different things.
If a batter-runner INTERFERES WITH a thrown ball (part 3 of this same rule), he's out. If a batter-runner GETS HIT BY a thrown ball that hits him in the back (or clips him in the heel ... like the OP), it's nothing. Same on D3K. Same rule - different lines. Yet for some reason you guys want to create a higher standard of avoidance on the BR for part 6 than any sane umpire would for part 3. |
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Interestingly, though in reading what you posted, I noticed something I hadn't before. The rule for interference with a thrown ball by the batter runner does not apply if the batter runner is in the batters box. Suicide play batter bunts down the first base line poorly (ball goes right to the charging F3). To give the runner more time on the play, the BR remains in the box positioned between where the fielder will get the ball and where the catcher is set up. F3 has to take a few steps out and throw to F2 who is now just late on the tag. Legal play? |
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R1 on second, 2-out, 3-2 count. Ball four called as R1 attempts to steal third. F2 throws the ball to F5 but the throw clips the BR who started toward 1st, but had not yet left the batter's box. |
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