Ball hits bat or bat hits ball

[xtremeump]

The only person that saw the bat out of the hands was the PU. I agree with you, it is not an every game play, we have the ones that are clear to everyone on the ground. This one bothers me because it is a little different did the ball hit the bat? Or did the bat hit the ball ?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

The only person that saw the bat out of the hands was the PU. I agree with you, it is not an every game play, we have the ones that are clear to everyone on the ground. This one bothers me because it is a little different did the ball hit the bat? Or did the bat hit the ball ?

If the bat is still moving, then it hit the ball.
However, never guess an out.

[jmkupka]

The whole bat hits ball/ball hits bat idea is for when both are on the ground and rolling.
If the ball rolls away in the bat catches up to it and hits it, out.
If the bat is laying still in the ball rolls into it, play on.
If the bat is released and dropped, and the ball is bouncing up and meets it in midair, that'll be an out.

[xtremeump]

Please give rule reference or Case Play.

[Skahtboi]

If the bat and the ball meet, as you say, in mid air, I can't see how you could have any choice but to rule that the bat was moving and as a result hit the ball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

Please give rule reference or Case Play.

ASA 7.6.M, Exceptions & Effects.

Even though it is impossible to call a batter out for interfering with a fair batted ball, the rule and exceptions are still effective.

[xtremeump]

I thought this play was different and would have better input. It was so close and only one person in the world saw it, we called Dead ball Foul. It was the second batter of an elimination game at a National Tournament. Any thoughts are welcome.

[tcannizzo]

As long as the only person who saw it was PU, then you made the right call.
Especially in a National Tournament.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I thought this play was different and would have better input. It was so close and only one person in the world saw it, we called Dead ball Foul. It was the second batter of an elimination game at a National Tournament. Any thoughts are welcome.

I don't see how you would support anything other than an out here. The Exceptions in 7-6-M are clear that the bat must still be in the batter's hands if she's still in the box, or that the ball rolls against a bat. A loose bat dropped onto a fair ball is a dead ball out, regardless of the batter's location.

You guys cut the girl some slack if you clearly saw the bat out of her hands when it contacted the ball. While I agree with you that it's not something you see every day and that it happened so close that only one person could see it, it should have been an out. Sometimes the game is a matter of millimeters.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ASA 7.6.M, Exceptions & Effects.

Even though it is impossible to call a batter out for interfering with a fair batted ball, the rule and exceptions are still effective.

Please clarify what you mean by, "it is impossible to call a batter out for interfering with a fair batted ball." I'm not understanding the context here.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Please clarify what you mean by, "it is impossible to call a batter out for interfering with a fair batted ball." I'm not understanding the context here.

ASA Rule 8.1.A
NCAA 12.1
NFHS 8.1.1
ISF 8.1.A

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

The only person that saw the bat out of the hands was the PU. I agree with you, it is not an every game play, we have the ones that are clear to everyone on the ground. This one bothers me because it is a little different did the ball hit the bat? Or did the bat hit the ball ?

If the bat is moving, the bat hit the ball (even if the ball is also moving). Only if the bat is stationary on the ground can a ball hit the bat.

[jmkupka]

MD,

...or if the bat is rolling away, and the ball is rolling faster & catches up with it. At least that's how I read the consensus here on a previous thread.

[RKBUmp]

NCAA game on TV last year or year before. I believe it was a Washington game. Bat in front of ball both rolling toward 1st base. Ball caught up to and hit bat. Ruling on field was batter out. Do not remember where I saw it now but play was submitted to Dee and her response was the ball hit the bat and no penalty.