USC, injury

[jmkupka]

Batter strikes out swinging, back in the 1st base dugout, new batter at the plate, I, in "a", notice the first batter walking out the back of the dugout, violently winging her helmet and bat to the ground (no one around, no fence slammed against).
I'm sure there was no anger towards the PU (not relevant, just sayin').
Before they go out on defense, I tell the coach that if there was a called strike in that at-bat she'd most likely be gone, and it won't happen again.

Next inning, runner on same team (EP, PONY) blows out her knee in a rundown, taking the team down to 9 players, no subs.

Got me thinking...
IF batter had gotten tossed earlier, and the injury brought them down to 8, does that call for a forfeit?
Or only if it happened the other way around? 14-U PONY State Tournament.

[Tru_in_Blu]

I do ASA & NFHS. I believe for those, the sequence of when things happens is the deciding factor. If an ejection brings a team to 8 in this example, then the forfeit. If 5 are ejected which brings a team to 9 and THEN an injury occurs, play on w/ an out in the missing player's batting position.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I do ASA & NFHS. I believe for those, the sequence of when things happens is the deciding factor. If an ejection brings a team to 8 in this example, then the forfeit. If 5 are ejected which brings a team to 9 and THEN an injury occurs, play on w/ an out in the missing player's batting position.

For ASA, an ejected player must immediately be replaced with a substitute. If so sub is available, that is a forfeit. You can only play short handed due to injury or by not having enough players to start.

For NFHS, you may play short handed for any reason (injury, restriction, ejection) that takes you to one less than the minimum.


(note: I'm only replying to this quote, not the OP, as I am not familiar with PONY rules).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Personally, I couldn't care less what the player does off the field with her equipment as long as there is no direct affect on what is happening on the field. And no, I'm not talking about being a distraction.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

For NFHS, you may play short handed for any reason (injury, restriction, ejection) that takes you to one less than the minimum.


(note: I'm only replying to this quote, not the OP, as I am not familiar with PONY rules).

Thanx, Slick

That's a learning for me. It's not come up in a HS game I've worked. Never worked a HS game where there was an ejection. Knock wood...

[jmkupka]

I'm surprised, Mike, that you wouldn't mind her blowing off steam with her equipment if you struck her out looking.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I'm surprised, Mike, that you wouldn't mind her blowing off steam with her equipment if you struck her out looking.

I'm not speaking for Mike, but I have the same opinion as he does.

An on the field demonstration like this shows up the umpire and the game, even if she is just mad at herself for taking that pitch. A player with enough self-control to exit the field without directing her actions or a verbal outburst at the umpire deserves to have her actions off the field considered her private business, in my opinion.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

Batter strikes out swinging, back in the 1st base dugout, new batter at the plate, I, in "a", notice the first batter walking out the back of the dugout, violently winging her helmet and bat to the ground (no one around, no fence slammed against).
I'm sure there was no anger towards the PU (not relevant, just sayin').
Before they go out on defense, I tell the coach that if there was a called strike in that at-bat she'd most likely be gone, and it won't happen again.

Next inning, runner on same team (EP, PONY) blows out her knee in a rundown, taking the team down to 9 players, no subs.

Got me thinking...
IF batter had gotten tossed earlier, and the injury brought them down to 8, does that call for a forfeit?
Or only if it happened the other way around? 14-U PONY State Tournament.

Apparently they started 10.
If ejection and there is a sub, replace & continue, regardless of sequence.

If down to one fewer than started, then an ejection with no sub, done.

[jmkupka]

Started with 10, 1 EP, no subs. They took the outs when the injured player's spot came up.