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rule cite - IFR
Probably just me being confused, but where in the ASA book is the rule that says the batter is out for an infield fly. :confused:
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Don't have my 2013 rulebook with me but the 2012 rule book states: Section 2. BATTER-RUNNER IS OUT. I. When an infield fly is declared and the fair batted ball hits the batter- runner before reaching first base. Bolding mine. Hope they corrected it for 2013. |
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Didn't we go round and round about this before, somewhere? |
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Shouldn't the "and" be "or"? Has this been corrected in an interpretation or correction? |
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The rule should read (as it did in 2011): I. When an infield fly is declared. If the fair batted ball hits the batter-runner before reaching first base, the ball is dead and the infield fly is invoked. |
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Why does it specify the BR, as opposed to any runner off base being hit by an uncaught infield fly? (Before passing a fielder of course). If it is not just the BR that would cause a dead ball, why mention it at all, any batted ball hitting a runner or batter-runner is dead, isn't it? |
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How would this situation play out with the IFR rule that is being discussed?
R1 on 2b, R2 on 1b. 0 out. R1 and R2 are stealing on the pitch and B3 hits a pop fly on the infield. The plate umpire invokes the IFR and F3 lets the ball drop, which rolls and hits B3 in fair territory. In this case B3 is out on the IFR. Even though R1 and R2 had advanced and had attained the next base when B3 was contacted by the ball, would R1 and R2 be sent back to 2b and 1b? The interference rule would allow them to stay at the base attained at the time of the interference which would be the ones they were stealing on the play 3b and 2b. |
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I don't see the need for the additional portion of the rule, but apparently something happened on the field in 2000 or 2001 which precipitated it. AFAIC, this shouldn't be any different from any other non-participant being hit with a batted ball. Of course, you may always have an issue of the BR not hearing the call or an umpire not making the call in a timely fashion |
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OK, now, the reason I started looking for this, timing of the out. Pardon me if you think I am overthinking or TW'ing. Without any dead ball out of the BR as above, is the player who hit the IF out: 1 - when the ball is struck, even though the rule is in the BR section 2 - when the IFR is declared (verbal) 3 - when the ball lands or is touched 4 - during the post-game ;) :D I have always thought it's number 1, as there is no escape from the out, but now I think I recall a ruling somewhere that says number 3, which might mean the things like: a - runner struck dead ball overrides b - the force is on until the ball hits the ground if untouched c - who knows ASA first, please. |
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The IF rule goes into effect when the status (fair/foul) of the ball is determined. Since there cannot be an infield fly on a foul ball, the effect of the rule does not become "official" until the ball is determined to be a fair ball. |
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The IF is what it is the moment the umpire deems it so. The effect of the rule is when it is determined to be fair, so I would say you have 1 & 3, it is never "overridden" by anything, striking a runner subsequent action and there is never a force. BTW, striking the ball is what places it in the BR section since that action is what make the B a BR |
How about a runner is struck by the batted ball before it lands?
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