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hog Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:10pm

6-1-1-c
 
c. After completing “b” above, the pitcher shall bring the hands together in
front of the body for not less than one second and not more than 10 seconds
before releasing the ball. The hands may be motionless or moving.



Should I enforce it and have them bring the hands together in front of the body, or allow them to turn sideways and bring them together on the 3rd base side (right handed pitcher)?

Manny A Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:14pm

Aren't their hands still in front of their body when they turn sideways?

HugoTafurst Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:15pm

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Originally Posted by hog (Post 889367)
c. After completing “b” above, the pitcher shall bring the hands together in
front of the body for not less than one second and not more than 10 seconds
before releasing the ball. The hands may be motionless or moving.



Should I enforce it and have them bring the hands together in front of the body, or allow them to turn sideways and bring them together on the 3rd base side (right handed pitcher)?

I'm sure the hands were together in front of the body (closer to the plate than the body)at one point.:D

hog Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 889369)
Aren't their hands still in front of their body when they turn sideways?

Doesn't this then violate 6-1-1-a?

MD Longhorn Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:50pm

Honestly, "in front of the body" doesn't necessarily mean "between the body and home plate", it means "in front of the body" (as in ... not behind the body)... 6-1-1-a doesn't come into play after the hands come together.

Nothing in the OP is remotely illegal.

Manny A Fri Apr 05, 2013 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by hog (Post 889373)
Doesn't this then violate 6-1-1-a?

6-1-1a covers how the pitcher stands when she engages the plate with her hands separated. When she brings them together, there is no requirement that I'm aware of to maintain her shoulders aligned with first and third base.

MD Longhorn Fri Apr 05, 2013 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 889375)
6-1-1a covers how the pitcher stands when she engages the plate with her hands separated. When she brings them together, there is no requirement that I'm aware of to maintain her shoulders aligned with first and third base.

I'll go a step further... EVERY pitcher turns sideways during her windup eventually. Nothing odd about it at all, and definitely not illegal.

hog Fri Apr 05, 2013 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 889379)
I'll go a step further... EVERY pitcher turns sideways during her windup eventually. Nothing odd about it at all, and definitely not illegal.

So are you saying that turning sideways while bringing the hands together is part of the windup as in 6-1-2-a?

The pitch starts when one hand is taken off the ball or the pitcher makes any
motion that is part of the windup after the hands have been brought together.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:01pm

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Originally Posted by hog (Post 889385)
So are you saying that turning sideways while bringing the hands together is part of the windup as in 6-1-2-a?

The pitch starts when one hand is taken off the ball or the pitcher makes any
motion that is part of the windup after the hands have been brought together.

How many times do you want the question answered?

It isn't going to change no matter how many different ways you address it.

hog Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:26am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 889413)
How many times do you want the question answered?

It isn't going to change no matter how many different ways you address it.

I'm just trying to clarify. I believe the question has morphed a bid, though.

There is a stretch of what you all consider is in front of the pitcher. I guess what I learned on left, right and in front are not, in fact, different.

Either way, I will continue on with allowing it.

Thx :)

Manny A Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by hog (Post 889436)
There is a stretch of what you all consider is in front of the pitcher. I guess what I learned on left, right and in front are not, in fact, different.

What you seem to be having a problem grasping is what Mike mentioned. You want to define "in front of the body" as having the hands together directly towards home plate. You're taking things too literally.

Let's take it to an extreme. If the pitcher has her back to home plate so that her chest is facing second base, and she has her hands together at her belly button, they are still "in front of the body". They just aren't where you want them to be. :)

IRISHMAFIA Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:19pm

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Originally Posted by hog (Post 889436)
I'm just trying to clarify. I believe the question has morphed a bid, though.

There is a stretch of what you all consider is in front of the pitcher. I guess what I learned on left, right and in front are not, in fact, different.

Either way, I will continue on with allowing it.

Thx :)

Make it simple. Is the ball behind the pitcher? If not, it must be in front of her.


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