Got to love JV coaches
 

Last night, bottom of 7th, home team down 8-6, runner on 1st, 2 outs. Runner stealing on the pitch, batter swings and foul tips ball. I give foul tip signal and the hammer. Runner standing on 2nd, SS has ball after throwdown. Runner steps off bag and starts walking back toward 1st and gets tagged out to end inning. Coach is ticked, says it was foul and runner has to return. I explain it was not foul, it was a foul tip which is live ball, runner stepped off bag and was tagged out. Coach is not happy.

Tonight, runner on 1st stealing on pitch. Batter foul tips it straight back, runner easy stand up into 2nd with no throwdown. I move on around 2nd behind SS, ball is thrown back to pitcher in circle and she is fooling around smoothing out the dirt. All of a sudden runner walks off bag back toward 1st and I call her out for a lookback violation. Here comes coach, that was foul ball. No coach it was a foul tip. But the plate umpire didnt call anything. The plate umpire gave the foul tip signal and the hammer. But he didnt call it foul. Thats because it wasnt foul, it was a live ball. But I told the runner to go back. Gee, Im sorry coach, I guess we should give a mulligan because you told the runner to step off the base?

And best for last, same team tonight. AZ now has a 15 run ahead rule after 3 1/2 innings at the option of the coach who is behind. Middle of the 4th comes around, home coach comes out to my partner and tells him that is game. My partner is befuddled and looks at coach and says that isnt 15 runs. Coach looks at him and says, yes it is, score ia 18-11, 18 is 3 more than the 15 required for the run rule.

And these coaches are also teachers who are teaching our kids?????

Hey, if the coach wants to go home, I'm not going to tell him/her no. :D

Problem was it was the coach that was winning that wanted to end game. I doubt the other coach would have agreed.

I didn't say they get to "win" the game. :rolleyes:

Ummmm... No, I know you know better. :p

What is wrong with his statement? To what do you think you are referring to?

Many non-umpires will call balls that are fouled "straight back" as in "straight back to the backstop" foul tips, which we know they are not.

Besides, all foul tips go straight back into the catcher's hand or mitt. So, technically, his description is a bit redundant.

And we think Mike is anal. ;)

I'm not as sure as the others reading this. The catcher did catch the ball, didn't she? It didn't go to the backstop?

I ask because a week ago I worked with an umpire who has been umpiring for a very long time who did not know the ball had to be caught to be a foul tip. I asked him after the game why he signaled foul tip when the ball went to the backstop. He said, "Because it was tipped." I said it had to be caught by the catcher. He frowned and said he would look it up.

Rita

Yes, catcher caught the ball, if they hadnt it would not be a foul tip. Was not watching words closely enough when writing, will be more diligent in not being redundant and using proper rule wording such as sharply and directly.

:rolleyes:Didn't you read the whole description?:rolleyes:

It was pretty clear to me that it WAS a foul tip.

:rolleyes:Maybe redundant, but certainly not inaccurate.:rolleyes:

Seriously, no offense, Manny, but "a bit redundant" and "No, I think you know better" don't really jive here. Just admit you misread it when you thought he'd said something incorrect and move on.

Umm, let me see... Yup, I did use :p after my post. At least that's what I see on my computer. Perhaps it didn't translate to anyone elses?? :rolleyes:

Some people just don't have a sense of humor.

I got it.

Love the coach's interpretation of the 15 run mercy rule. Re: foul tips. Doesn't have to be a JV coach. Years ago back in CNY had an experienced varsity coach ask me why R1 on first could run to 2nd on a foul tip if it was a foul ball.
Think it is inexcusable for an umpire not to know it.

Had this one once - Home team had a fairly wild pitcher (surprise) - she would hit like one batter an inning - nothing serious, just a bouncer here, a little nick there SO...in like the 5th, guess what - another HBP. Visiting coach comes out and goes like this:

COACH: Hey blue, that's five

ME: Huh?

COACH: That's five...thats the fifth batter she's hit

ME: And?

COACH: She has to leave the game

ME: Why?

COACH: That's the rule!

ME: Not here....

I found out later that was, of course a LL rule...

Oh - after the NEXT one, I slowly took off my mask, took two steps towards the H dugout, and just LOOKED at the coaches, with my hands kind of out, as if to say, 'Well?" They took her out of the game - finally...

Really?
It's been a while since I've done LL, but I'd be surprised if Little League actually made that a rule.

Perhaps you are talking about an unauthorized "local" rule, or possibly a rec. league that isn't officially Little League.

According to Rich Ives earlier in this thread, it has never been a LL rule.

Rich Ives is here?

Lurking.

It came up on the baseball board yesterday.

Rita

Had a coach one time argue that I should eject a catcher for obstruction when his runner was obstructed at the plate.

Okay coach.

"she can't be there" (I know, that's why I called obstruction)

"You've gotta eject her!" (You must be joking)

That was what i was told....but yours is a possibility. All I know it sure shocked me when he was saying it.

no touching!
 

Heard the old "She's gotta slide at home or you have to eject her" the other night.

was asked today if the 1st baseman could roll the ball to the pitcher. Huh?

"That's gotta be something!!" is always one of my favorites.

Joel

But that something could be a ticket to the parking lot :)

Sorry, wrong board... :o

I had to say something and there was nothing needed, so just in case it is not obvious to all:

LRAMBF

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