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IRISHMAFIA Thu Jun 28, 2012 07:44pm
Talking Heads At It Again
 
Morons doing PR v USA game noted the differences in international play by stating the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box.

Yeah, okay.

Steve M Thu Jun 28, 2012 08:20pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847731)
Morons doing PR v USA game noted the differences in international play by stating the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box.

Yeah, okay.
I think they've gotten their info from esqump. Sounds like it, anyway.

EsqUmp Fri Jun 29, 2012 06:27am
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Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 847732)
I think they've gotten their info from esqump. Sounds like it, anyway.
It's always nice when clones support each one another.

BretMan Fri Jun 29, 2012 07:12am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847731)
Morons doing PR v USA game noted the differences in international play by stating the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box.
ISF doesn't have that requirement, right?

Wasn't sure if you were ragging on the TH's because they said this rule is different, when it's not, or because ISF doesn't have this rule.:confused:

CelticNHBlue Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:26am
Anyone following the games online at all? Sportzcast Player TH is an amateur, ok he's actually the Mass ASA Commissioner and good friend of mine. Still fun to follow along.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:50am
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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 847760)
ISF doesn't have that requirement, right?

Wasn't sure if you were ragging on the TH's because they said this rule is different, when it's not, or because ISF doesn't have this rule.:confused:
No, ISF does not have that requirement, but MLB rules do for NA leagues. :)

okla21fan Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by CelticNHBlue (Post 847776)
Anyone following the games online at all? Sportzcast Player TH is an amateur, ok he's actually the Mass ASA Commissioner and good friend of mine. Still fun to follow along.
He is doing a fine job.

(But I saw the plate blue clear a bat on a potential play at the plate. KR isn't going to like that :D)

umpire12 Fri Jun 29, 2012 07:06pm
clone support at its best,,,right mike? right bob..right jim?right mike..right pete?..right bob....lol..no wonder ASA is dropping the ball on many of its current interpretations...right mike?

Steve M Fri Jun 29, 2012 08:01pm
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Originally Posted by umpire12 (Post 847814)
clone support at its best,,,right mike? right bob..right jim?right mike..right pete?..right bob....lol..no wonder ASA is dropping the ball on many of its current interpretations...right mike?
So get it changed. Until then, you & Esq & others are just people to ignore. Nobody cares to listen to whining.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 29, 2012 08:28pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847790)
No, ISF does not have that requirement, but MLB rules do for NA leagues. :)
And they just repeated it twice in the Aus/USA game stating that it is a new ISF rule that came in the past 2-3 years.

Yet, nothing in the 2010-2013 book

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:48pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847731)
Morons doing PR v USA game noted the differences in international play by stating the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box.

Yeah, okay.
Upon further review.

Even though it is not listed in the latest rule changes or included on the rules provided on line, the printed version of the ISF Rules does indicate that the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box between pitches (with the normal exceptions included in ASA), but there is no warning. The effect is an immediate strike on the batter, no pitch needs to be thrown.

However, even in the printed version, it is not included in the rules, but in what seems to be a Rules Supplement section and is highlighted as "Key Notes".

And here I thought NFHS & NCAA could be coy about where the insert rules/interpretations!!! :D

Gulf Coast Blue Tue Jul 10, 2012 02:52am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 848632)
Upon further review.

Even though it is not listed in the latest rule changes or included on the rules provided on line, the printed version of the ISF Rules does indicate that the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box between pitches (with the normal exceptions included in ASA), but there is no warning. The effect is an immediate strike on the batter, no pitch needs to be thrown.

However, even in the printed version, it is not included in the rules, but in what seems to be a Rules Supplement section and is highlighted as "Key Notes".

And here I though NFHS & NCAA could be coy about where the insert rules/interpretations!!! :D
No.....the horror......

Years ago when I got good at finding ASA rules.....I started NFHS......****....finding them all over again.

Then NCAA......****......

bsnalex Tue Jul 10, 2012 07:15am
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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 847760)
ISF doesn't have that requirement, right?

Wasn't sure if you were ragging on the TH's because they said this rule is different, when it's not, or because ISF doesn't have this rule.:confused:
As far as I learned, ISF requires both feet to be completely inside the box prior to the start of the pitch (on the line is allowed) (4.3.c).

The batter is out "when his foot is completely outside the lines of the batter's box when he makes contact with the ball" - 4.6.d

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:27am
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Originally Posted by bsnalex (Post 848657)
As far as I learned, ISF requires both feet to be completely inside the box prior to the start of the pitch (on the line is allowed) (4.3.c).

The batter is out "when his foot is completely outside the lines of the batter's box when he makes contact with the ball" - 4.6.d
The discussion concerns the batter's position between pitches. The rules that are on-line at ISF's web site does not provide any direction in this area, but in the book it is noted at the beginning of the rules, but not within the rules.

Tru_in_Blu Tue Jul 10, 2012 02:46pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847731)
Morons doing PR v USA game noted the differences in international play by stating the batter must keep a foot in the batter's box.

Yeah, okay.
So they're not morons? At least as it applies to where a particular foot must be kept? :rolleyes:

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 10, 2012 09:45pm
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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 848701)
So they're not morons? At least as it applies to where a particular foot must be kept? :rolleyes:
That would be true in this case. I still think they are morons with some of the junk they spout. Then again, you should read what the SP guys think of those who announced the Border Battle. :D

And just to prove that I may have been wrong :o, I contacted one of the umpires while in OKC to find what information was available and reviewed the printed copy last night.

Sort of strange that it is easier to maintain and update an online version than print, but it isn't. However, even in the print version, this was NOT included in the body of the rules.

justcallmeblue Thu Jul 12, 2012 04:31pm
Flipping thru the channels a week or so ago I saw the USA Futures vs. USA Mens Slow Pitch game. I was able to watch it for the first inning and I noticed that the players were taking a stance with their toes on the line and the heal outside.

I am almost positive I recall ASA being marked all over the place.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by justcallmeblue (Post 848888)
Flipping thru the channels a week or so ago I saw the USA Futures vs. USA Mens Slow Pitch game. I was able to watch it for the first inning and I noticed that the players were taking a stance with their toes on the line and the heal outside.

I am almost positive I recall ASA being marked all over the place.
I see beer signs all over stadiums, does that mean they own and run MLB & NFL, does it? You probably saw ASA marked all over the place during the WCOS, yet that was ISF ball, not ASA. If it were, most of the bats would have been disqualified.

Did you see the SP players running out HRs? That certainly isn't ASA, but ISF.

This is actually something that has come up every year among the SP players and since the camera angle is weak and none of us know how the umpires were instructed..........


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