ISF Mechanic
 

No runners on base. Easy single to left field. No umpires go out. 2BU buttonhooks inside the diamond.

Why are we buttonhooking? Do we prefer to run pointlessly? Do we like to put our back to the ball? Do we like to cut the potential path of the runner?

Or because it places the BU into the best position to react and get a preferable position for a call at any base with minimal effort.

It would only be pointless if the umpire didn't know what s/he was doing.

there are 4 umpires.

I apologize IrishMafia, as a softball umpire legend, I thought you knew that they use 4 umpires in the World Cup of Softball.

Now you're just being a douche for the sake of being douchey.

(Nothing new there...)

Where in your post does it state that this play was occurring in a World Cup game?

Or that is was a 4-umpire system. And that does make a difference.

Only one problem, ISF may not provide a mechanical scenario for the play you are describing.

If it is a fly ball to LF, U3 chases and U2 stays outside. There is no scenario provided for any other option, but it would make sense that U2 stay outside if to LF, come inside if LCF to RFL.

Do you know where the umpire is from and what direction they were given in the pre-tournament clinic?

How many systems other than 4 umpire have a 2BU? I guess 6 umpire does too. Read the entire post.

Well, that would be U2 and no, I'm not assuming anything. AFAIK, he could have been referring to the umpire @ 2nd base which could be in anything other and a single umpire system.

But I really don't care, KR could have instructed them to do anything on that play especially since there is no published mechanic (at least, not at the ISF Umpire School)

Yes, Mike, there is a published mechanic. There PDF can be found here. I found this last June, I think on a site from New Zealand or Australia. As you can see on the cover, it was updated in 2010 by the director of ISF umpires.

Specifically, the play is described on page 6.

But as you said (and I've said if before), the use the mechanics that the UIC tells you to.

Brian,

I've got them. These are the mechanics on ISF Umpire School. Don't know how much they would appreciate someone else making them available elsewhere.

However, you might notice there is no scenario, including on page 6, for a ball to the left field and no umpire going out. That was the play noted in the OP and to which I am referring.

Who said anything about a fly ball? Pay attention.

Not me. There is no mechanic for any ball going to LF with no one chasing.

The only time I mentioned a fly ball is when I citing the one mechanic where a ball to LF is mentioned, but in that case an umpire goes out which does NOT meet the specs of the OP.

Maybe you should try paying attention.

Isn't this a bit moot, as World Cup is organised and officiated by ASA rather than ISF?

The WCOS is played under ISF rules and mechanics. Of the 8 umpires, 3 were from the US.

And ASA does not utilize a 4-umpire system.

One thing I noticed in several different games with different PU, was the liberal granting of TIME to B.

Is ISF different than ASA in this regard?
A couple of years ago, we were instructed that P gets 20 seconds and we are to give her every bit of that, unless B is in some sort of distress.

Tony....a question for you....Were you specifically instructed to do so in your ASA training?

This was a big deal in NCAA, but in all of our NFHS and ASA training, it was not delivered as a directive. I know that there are a lot of NCAA umpires in high positions in ASA and HS organizations and some tend to think that if something is good enough for NCAA, it must be good enough for HS and ASA as well.

Andy,
Since I don't do college, only ASA/NFHS, it would have been in my local training. At least the way I understood it to be.

I know that I definitely do not grant time like I used to.
Batter wants time after 3 or 4 seconds, I just respond, "No, Play", and sometimes have to repeat, "No, Play".

Andy, do you not recall the NFHS Points of Emphasis in recent years, dealing with the need to manage the pace of the game, and specifically stating "Umpires should NOT routinely grant time to batters"?

I do not grant the time, because of the NCAA mechanic emphasis. I say "we're playing" vs "no". No is usually followed by No pitch in this situation and could confuse a batter.

My verbal is, "No, the ball is live." Works quite well.

ASA State 16A.
I am PU.
B holds hand up but I simply said, "No, Play"
B steps out of box, P starts delivery, B steps back in box.
I called "Strike" before P could release ball.
Next pitch B gets retired on a ground ball for the 3rd out of the inning.

3B coach on way to 1B dugout says, "She is deaf in one ear". (Right ear, RHB)
GOOD GRIEF, for a moment I felt like a criminal.
But I told coach, then she better take a peek back. Even players with 20-20 hearing should not just assume that the PU is holding up P.

This was hit upon in our first ASA clinics of each of the past 2 years, as well as this year's NFHS clinic. If batter is just calling time because they are tired of waiting, they don't get time. I believe I had 5 or 6 conversations this year alone with coaches explaining that after they kept telling their players, "If she's taking too long, step out".

Which is the exact phrase I remeber being taught the first time I heard this (at an NCAA Clinic)

Mike....Steve provided the NFHS POE, which I either forgot about or missed....

Has ASA ever put this directive out in writing somewhere? If so, I don't recall it.

Not that I recall... but then again, the way the rules are worded, did they really need one?

And that is the point. I recall this being a topic of proposed rule change, and the NUS position being that it was unnecessary to present a rule "change" when no rule even suggested that time be granted anytime a batter asks. Game management hardly suggests that granting time will speed up anything!!

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The rules say the pitcher has 20 seconds from receiving the ball to release a next pitch. ASA 6.3.O, NFHS 6-2-3. The batter has 10 seconds to take a position in the batter's box. ASA 7.3.C, NFHS 7-3-1. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the batter is expected to wait that difference in time? And that the rules makers and rules committees believe that is a reasonable amount of time for a batter to wait?

If the pitcher is completely within the allotted time, where does it say in any rulebook or manual that the batter can get "time" until the pitcher pitches when the batter wants? If the pitcher violates, call the violation; if the pitcher is within the allotted time, "keep playing". Batters easily adjust to NOT tensing before the pitcher is ready to pitch, just keep it consistent and fair to both sides, no advantage, no disadvantage, just what the rules say and allow.

Can (may) the PU grant time? Sure; if there is a good reason. The batter not wanting to wait that long isn't a good reason; how long is too long? According to the rules, 20 seconds is too long, regardless how long the batter, coach, or parents think is too long. And the batter attempting to control the pitcher is even worse. You are expected to control the pace of the game, using the rules, and the purpose of the rules.

Reverse logic alert!! Being told an umpire "MAY NOT" grant time if the pitcher's hands are together or after a pitcher begins the pitching motion DOES NOT MEAN you can or should grant time any time prior to that point; it means you COULD if there is a good reason to. Bugs flying around her, sweat dripping in her eyes; they are good reasons. In just about every other circumstance, "keep playing".

In my opinion, consistency in application of the rules is one key to success. Don't screw up what batters are starting to understand at almost ALL levels by being the guy who thinks to routinely grant time when there is no reason makes him the good guy.
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For the record, TCannizzo has been directed by ME, on the local level. He has partially bought in, kicking and fighting, because his coaching background makes him think the batter is being disadvantaged. But he is beginning to see how the game is evolving to that, that batters are safely and adequately adjusting; even without a specific ASA directive.

When a coach wants to debate this, the bold portion can be the key. How often do you see a pitcher on the PP within a second or two? I would say it is usually longer than 5-8 seconds before they get both feet in contact from the time they receive the ball.

And once the hands come together, there can be no more than 10 seconds before the beginning of the pitch.

However, just be aware that there are occasions which it can be appropriate to grant the request for time.

AFA the B holding up the hand, I see that usually when the batter is preparing to get set in the box and for sake of safety, we need to make sure the batter is prepared for the pitch. Note that doesn't mean this time doesn't cut into their 10 seconds, it does.