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Tru_in_Blu Mon Jun 18, 2012 01:22pm

Strike mat
 
I searched but didn't find much except proposed rule changes.

One of our men's slow pitch league will be having a 1 week trial run with a strike mat. I don't suppose that's such a big deal.

I think the bigger deal is that they still want a ball that hits the plate to be called a ball. I find this to be counter-productive. Don't leagues that use the mat typically have anything that hits the combination of plate/mat called as a strike [assuming height requirements are met]?

I'd say they are looking for more consistency in how our guys are calling pitches, particularly deep balls.

I still think the slow pitch strike zone is just the goofiest thing... Hit the dang ball, Bubba!

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 18, 2012 01:30pm

The most enjoyable adult softball league I've ever been in was a 3-pitch league. You pitch to your OWN team - and you get 3 pitches. No need to judge strikes. No needless watching hitters wait until after they've gotten a strike. 3 pitches. Hit one Bubba.

Tru_in_Blu Mon Jun 18, 2012 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 846542)
The most enjoyable adult softball league I've ever been in was a 3-pitch league. You pitch to your OWN team - and you get 3 pitches. No need to judge strikes. No needless watching hitters wait until after they've gotten a strike. 3 pitches. Hit one Bubba.

Interesting. The dynamics of hitting back through the box might change. What if the pitcher, after fielding a hard one-hopper, throws the ball over the dugout?

Big Slick Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 846540)
I searched but didn't find much except proposed rule changes.

One of our men's slow pitch league will be having a 1 week trial run with a strike mat. I don't suppose that's such a big deal.

I think the bigger deal is that they still want a ball that hits the plate to be called a ball. I find this to be counter-productive. Don't leagues that use the mat typically have anything that hits the combination of plate/mat called as a strike [assuming height requirements are met]?

I'd say they are looking for more consistency in how our guys are calling pitches, particularly deep balls.

I still think the slow pitch strike zone is just the goofiest thing... Hit the dang ball, Bubba!

Look at the rules for senior slow pitch as the mat is used in that division.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 846544)
Interesting. The dynamics of hitting back through the box might change. What if the pitcher, after fielding a hard one-hopper, throws the ball over the dugout?

Not sure I follow... if you're referring to the person (from the offensive team) who pitched the ball, he doesn't field anything - if the batted ball hits him (or he for some reason fields it), dead ball, batter's out. If you are referring to the defensive player positioned near the rubber - then throwing the ball out of play would be like any other infielder throwing it out of play.

CecilOne Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 846556)
Not sure I follow... if you're referring to the person (from the offensive team) who pitched the ball, he doesn't field anything - if the batted ball hits him (or he for some reason fields it), dead ball, batter's out. If you are referring to the defensive player positioned near the rubber - then throwing the ball out of play would be like any other infielder throwing it out of play.

Oh, "defensive player positioned near the rubber ", like t-ball! :rolleyes: :p :D

KJUmp Mon Jun 18, 2012 04:08pm

All the divisions of our local adult SP league use the strike mat.... and we start with a 1&1 count. Easiest SP umpiring I've ever worked as an umpire.

Downside....now in my fourth season of working games with the mat, my skills as an effective SP PU have eroded to the point that I'd be clueless behind the plate. I wouldn't have anything resembling an accurate and consistent strike zone. As such, this is the only SP I work, everything else is FP.

Welpe Mon Jun 18, 2012 04:17pm

I've worked a few different leagues with the strike mat and all of them included the plate as a strike. Believe it or not, you'll still get arguments over strikes. AAs like to argue about anything.

My one slow pitch ejection was the result of a strike mat strike I called.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 18, 2012 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 846540)
I searched but didn't find much except proposed rule changes.

One of our men's slow pitch league will be having a 1 week trial run with a strike mat. I don't suppose that's such a big deal.

I think the bigger deal is that they still want a ball that hits the plate to be called a ball. I find this to be counter-productive. Don't leagues that use the mat typically have anything that hits the combination of plate/mat called as a strike [assuming height requirements are met]?

I'd say they are looking for more consistency in how our guys are calling pitches, particularly deep balls.

I still think the slow pitch strike zone is just the goofiest thing... Hit the dang ball, Bubba!

Possible issues - Strike zone for 5' player same as that for a 6'4" player
Great pitch comes across the plate, you call it a strike and it misses the mat.
Guarantee you will lose more strikes, legitimate strikes than is worth the mat.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 18, 2012 04:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 846542)
The most enjoyable adult softball league I've ever been in was a 3-pitch league. You pitch to your OWN team - and you get 3 pitches. No need to judge strikes. No needless watching hitters wait until after they've gotten a strike. 3 pitches. Hit one Bubba.

Played in an intramural league at PJC (Larry's knows what that is) and they allowed two pitches from you own player. Real simple, hit or sit. No count, no walks, no strike outs.

The games were great and competition good even for an intramural league.

Defense would put a player behind the pitcher, if they wanted. Pitcher couldn't touch the ball or get in the way, automatic out. Loved it!

Linknblue Mon Jun 18, 2012 06:59pm

Here in Sacramento and surrounding areas
 
Mat is a strike. Plate is a ball. Mats used are 19- 21 inches wide and fit around plate starting a point where plate angles to triangle. In senior play, both SSUSA and NCSSA a single mat is used and plate area is considered a strike. Why the difference, I have no clue.

I've played "One-Pitch" where your own guys pitches. Now this is a fast game. You can get most games in in 45 minutes.



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argodad Mon Jun 18, 2012 07:07pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 846569)
Played in an intramural league at PJC (Larry's knows what that is) and they allowed two pitches from you own player. Real simple, hit or sit. No count, no walks, no strike outs.

The games were great and competition good even for an intramural league.

Defense would put a player behind the pitcher, if they wanted. Pitcher couldn't touch the ball or get in the way, automatic out. Loved it!

:cool::cool: PJC is now PSC. All over the Panhandle kids leave high school and head off to "Pen State."

KJUmp Mon Jun 18, 2012 07:54pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 846567)
Guarantee you will lose more strikes, legitimate strikes than is worth the mat.

Because of the pitcher trying to aim for the mat?

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:33pm

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 846589)
Because of the pitcher trying to aim for the mat?


No, because the mat does not properly reflect the strike zone

KJUmp Tue Jun 19, 2012 05:55am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 846606)
No, because the mat does not properly reflect the strike zone

Meaning the shoulder to knee strike zone the pitcher would be pitching to in a game played without the strike mat?


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